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Sunday, 09 February
gettin it right

Life hey? Whats important, what is not? The paths we take the signs we see the decisions we make. Always this endless quest to be right and not wrong. This great cloud hanging over our heads, this constant questioning did we do right or wrong, was it for better or worse?

The problem is we search constantly for an answer - more importantly the right answer. We seek to know the outcome before making the desicion. And in doing so we become fearful because maybe we were wrong, maybe we didnt get the best outcome, the best deal, do the right thing.

It's a mine field out there guys! there is no easy way - in fact show me some one living the easy way and I will point out to you that they are not actually living - they are avoiding, they are pretending, they are sadly fooling themselves.

Life is not cruel, we are. We are too hard on ourselves. We build these magnificant walls around us and then get pissed off because we cant jump them!??? Hello, why did we build them? To save ourselves from what?

From ourselves.

Weird isnt it, our own worst friend and our own best enemy.

My mood is not bleak, I have just had a stark reminder of the frailty of growing up. Of being a memeber of this universe, of forging our own way in a world that is always threatening to overwhelm us. Wether that world be that of a childs playground tiff or a war between two mad men, I must ask is there any diference.

no

the stakes are just as high but unfortunately more people get hurt in one of those scenarios.

Power plays go on every day. It is part of this game we call life. Frankly I love the game but do you think we could perhaps fix the rules? Might make the game more fun and dare I say it better.

Somehow we might just get it right.



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Comments

Paul...You have given great points to ponder. I find I always set my expectations too high and am a little disappointed when they don't quite hit the mark. I do tell myself I am aiming too high. But does it actually help to set goals high so that some progress is made? And where does this lead one? Ah, lfie...what an adventure. Linda

Posted by: Linda Thomas on February 9, 2003 08:05 PMfrom IP:

Dear, Dear, Paul!

By stating that you have been clean-shaven lately, I rejoiced, for you have definitely gotten it right, but you haven't changed that picture with the beer, like you once promised..(okay, okay, maybe it wasn't exactly a promise, just something you would think about!) It's definitely time! Don't wait! I'm getting older by the minute!!!

Good morning, Whitney!

Love,

Grannie

Posted by: GRANDMA MILLIE on February 9, 2003 08:38 PMfrom IP:

Ahh Aunt Mil. You don't like beards either huh?

Well sometimes a mans gotta do what mans gotta do (Birdcage?) You did see that right? Hysterical.

Paul.
Your mellifluous rhetoric is captivating and thought inspiring. Dare you definitely may, the games might very well serve the entire universe best if they were changed a bit. If perhaps some equlibrium were brought about for everyone so we could ALL enjoy the journey a bit more. Brilliant thought, but probably a very high expectation.

Gettin it right goes hand in hand with surrendering. Yes we constantly search for an answer or set high goals and berate ourselves for not finding that perfect solution. But it's probably because it's not out there. It's an imperfect world. We're imperfect creatures. We build those silly walls when we should have spent the time reading a book, playing with our kids, making love, listening to music,(watching SB ;) ))or something that raises our spirituality. We have to surrender to the reality in which we live. There is no perfect right answer. There is a choice to be made and we make those based on information we surround ourselves with. If we have good information our choices we lend themselves to the better side. Which is what I think is great about the Pauls Corner. We come her we think, we express, and we share. You never know your wrong answer may be my demi-perfect one.
Dazzling post Paul.
You never said, and of course you don't have to answer, but are you keeping these threads together somewhere? You're a brilliant writer/instigator of thought. You should if you're not.

I love this one...Definitely more to think about.
Peace, love and happiness to everyone
Tim

Posted by: Tim Hord on February 9, 2003 10:36 PMfrom IP:

" I have just had a stark reminder of the frailty of growing up" . . . um, that sounds ominous. Nothing too close to home, I hope.
I like that, fix the rules of life. Where would we begin?
hugs,
Sally

Posted by: deltalady on February 9, 2003 11:14 PMfrom IP:

Hello all! Wonderful postings and comments I've been reading. I really liked the last post you did Paul, though I didn't comment. Should have.

This one does sound a little troublesome in one area. I concur with Sally, hoping the "I have just had a stark reminder of the frailty of growing up" wasn't too close to home. And hey, I'm all for fixing the rules in theory, fair play and all that.

Paul's corner has become a morning routine of mine now. Much better than the morning paper. Not as depressing, rather uplifting. My coffee in hand and laptop humming. A good way to start the day. :)

Grandma, I would be excited to see a new picture on the corner too!

Paul, not that your friendly toast isn't great to view, but I will admit everytime my husband sees it he growls at how much you look like my ex-husband in that shot. I think it's the beer and beard combination! *L* Don't get me wrong, my husband is also a fan of yours and has written a response here once, but the computer shut down on him and he lost his rather long post. Discouraged, he hasn't been back. But I'm sure he will!

Back to the Tattoos, I made a very odd bet with my foster daughter when she was 16, that if she didn't give up her dreams, and made it through college, I would be a hip mom and get matching tattoos when she graduated. She is now 20 and reminded me recently that she is going to cash in on that bet soon. Although I'm scared of the pain of getting one, the reason behind it is well worth it!

Take care all!

Love, Michelle

Posted by: Michelle- Nova Scotia on February 10, 2003 12:28 AMfrom IP:

Oh, and I was so excited for you on your chance meeting at the ballet school. Isn't life funny? You were fighting destiny and in the end it won as per usual!

There's a lesson in that one for all of us!

Posted by: Michelle- Nova Scotia on February 10, 2003 12:29 AMfrom IP:

Lot's of thought provoking ideas, Paul.

We can't possibly know the right answer all the time, so we have to practice making choices based on best available information and then let them go. Learning to be less judgemental of ourselves and others is a big task for most of the human race. Becoming more process-oriented and less goal-oriented is very helpful to releasing judgement.

I think that life IS cruel. It's how we respond to that cruelty that determines whether we are, in any given moment, succumbing to it, perpetuating it, or rising above it. I can't think of the film or the actor who said this, but it was well put. The charactor is asked, "Doesn't that hurt?" To which he replies, "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding the pain."

It's also helpful to see life as a balancing act. To the degree that we're willing and able to listen to our inner guidance system, it can be more fun and less of a struggle. Clearing the "chatter" that distorts and distracts us from our own wisdom, is another huge life task. That's why I find indigenous spiritual practices and Eastern philosophies so much more instructive than most Western religious traditions that tend to emphasize external guidance and rules.

Linda, I think that setting high goals and standards is very important to personal progress. "Pick youself up, brush yourself off and start all over again", is just a part of that process. It's when we set our expectations beyond all reason and we respond to any failure (large or small) with self-loathing, that we become our worst enemy.

While I pray for peace — not only in this current situation, but in various places around the world — I think we are headed for some dark days ahead. Faith is as important as ever.

As for facial hair... My husband and his colleagues are using their's as a barometer of their work status. No work or audition? Grow the beard. Got a call? Shave it. Eliminates the need to answer that annoying question: "So what are YOU working on?" So facial hair for my man is okay. He just can't wear long hair (it would be a 70's Afro), wear earrings (to nerdish for that), tattoos (lacks tan and well-defined muscles). And I will never again buy him disco pants with metal studs.

Shalom, all!

Diane

Posted by: Diane on February 10, 2003 12:35 AMfrom IP:

Two very great threads going on right now! Thank you Paul! As usual a very beautiful and insightful poem on surrender. Naturally it triggered an immediate counter reaction in me "But what about taking a stand and going against the current or at least stand tall in the middle of it—when that’s called for?" Yep, SOMETIMES that’s called for, but not ALWAYS. I’ve watched myself lately and listened to myself just how I think, talk and feel about all the different pressures and demands made on me and my time and the ones I make on myself and I got really angry with myself for wanting to please everyone except myself, for all these insane expectations I have of myself and then feeling guilty about slowing down, moving them onto a more doable level. Thank you Diane for your suggestion of alternating between alternating working in the evening and taking it off. It feels a bit too decadent, but I will try it out, or compromise with working less hours after work and taking some to relax and do more creative things. It really can be a mine field out there, as you put it, Paul, but I also think that I place a lot of these mines out there for myself trying to get it right, setting my expectations too high and then beating myself up when I fail to reach those lofty heights. Will I ever learn to free myself of this and break the vicious cycle? Yes I will! After stepping away this weekend from this frustration with myself to look at the larger picture I noticed areas where I have learned and am learning to be more reasonable, where in fact I’m surrendering my perfectionistic aspirations. It is a start and I’ve begun a journey. Sure I want to avoid the pain at times, but I also want to watch how I learn and grow and learn to love myself more fully rather than beating myself up about it, being too hard on myself and others. Changing the rules of the game, great idea. Michelle in Chicago, thanks for what you said, esp. the "floating down the middle path" part. I like it! Sounds like the healthy compromise and balance that I’m lacking in so many areas myself. We will make it!!!

Another thing, Paul, re. what you said in the Surrender post. I hope that you will get an acting job soon and that something good will come out of meeting this woman serendipitously at the Ballet School. Please thank Andrea for me for making you go along. She’s an amazing woman, but then you already know that, but if you feel like it, tell her that for me as well. ["Hi Andrea! Good going there!!!! :)"] But for now, while you wait, I hope that you can enjoy the affirmation of your enormous skills and talents that are implicit in this meeting. They are interested in you and your skills!!! Not every potential future employer takes the time to express that, as a matter of fact, most don’t. I just received such a gift from one of the jobs I had applied for. I didn’t get the job, but they gave me so much professional affirmation, it feels great!!! I didn’t expect that from an ivy league school which made it even more sweet.

Diane, I think you’d make a most wonderful teacher, you have so many wonderful qualities that far too few teachers have, but I know that you will use these qualities no matter what profession you pick up. Good luck with applying and finding what you want and need. It’s a stressful time, so take your own advice that you gave me, take every other night off and treat yourself to something good. And congrats on the weight loss as well. Yesterday morning I woke up thinking about Audrey. How is she doing? and how are you holding up?

Ann, Whitney, Sherilyn and Diane, you and your families and the family members or friends that are battling serious illness are in my thoughts and prayers.

Love to all. Surrendering to getting it right and finding balance. There's something constructive and productive to ponder for today :)

Evelyn

Posted by: Evelyn on February 10, 2003 12:47 AMfrom IP:

Oh, one more thing, just out of curiosity, Paul, what was the "only" line that you can quote form Shakespeare? Is there a connection--between you uttering it that day, getting the applause from the empty chairs and the woman showing up & the thing called life with is humorous twists and turns?

Posted by: Evelyn on February 10, 2003 12:49 AMfrom IP:

Yes Paul what is that line? I also thought about that chance meeting and had another thought. You told her what you were looking for...but turn that around...what's looking for you? What types of parts are looking for you? Did she give you ideas in that regard?
Hope you Andrea and the kids are having a great morning. Off to a Tuesday already for you guys. and my Monday hasn't event begun.

Later
tim

Posted by: Tim Hord on February 10, 2003 03:46 AMfrom IP:

Good evening Grandma!

Thank you Evelyn and everyone, for keeping my family and me in your thoughts and prayers. Paw Paw is doing well. The family has decided to let him try to eat. Last night they were going to keep him on an IV, but changed their minds. This could go either way.

To those of you who pray, please ask for his swallowing ability to stay synchronized and strong if possible; no seepage down to his lungs. To my cosmic well wishers, I love and respect you just as much and have faith in the metaphysical powers of your minds. Please envision him swallowing his food and once again, not getting any matter in his wind pipe.

Forgive me if I sound at all bossy. It's just that I've read it helps to be specific in our requests, when possible. Regardless of the outcome, I accept, but being able to ask a crew such as the likes of you to do this for me is comforting. Thank you again. Sorry this is so long.

Speaking of Shakespeare (what was that line Paul?), I just watched "Shakespeare in Love". I enoyed it very much. Tonight I might get to see Todd Rundgren in concert (showing my age). I have a backstage pass, but I'm not sure it'll get me in. More positive vibes please!

This is an excellent thread and I'm enjoying the posts. I agree with Tim; Paul, back this stuff up if you can. I think Cat keeps archives. Ask her about it Someday you may want to sift through these threads to collects the "jewels" woven throughout. Hey if Maria Shriver and various others can make bucks from such a book, why not you? I'm not blowing smoke when I compliment you on your writing and thinking skills Paul.


Good night Grandma. I love you! I loves ya all!
Whitney

Posted by: Whitney on February 10, 2003 03:51 AMfrom IP:

Talk about hitting close to home.....I am in a rough spot right now with my 13 year old son. He has been "going with" this girl now since October of last year. I decided the first time I met her that I didn't like her. She came to a youth get together with my son, wound up breaking up with him because she was flirting with two other boys there and then I had to sit and listen to her talk bad about my son for the rest of the evening. Since then, they have been on again, off again and (yes, at one point, I really tried to be a good mother and gave him one of the artificial roses my husband bought for me to give to her when they had broken up...I have tried to like her) she has created havoc in my house. She has no respect for my husband and I, she even prank called us one night (I know it was her, I have caller ID) and my son even went as far as giving her a ring that my mother-in-law had given me before she died (without me knowing it) and when I demanded it back she took something and smashed it up. Needless to say, I know it is probably wrong of me, but I don't like this girl. My son is not the same person he used to be. He's like a stranger in my house. I find myself staying so angry at him so much here lately because he is failing school (and he has been an A and B student every year since kindergarten, won awards for academic excellence) he is lying to me and my husband all the time now. I have suggested counseling which doesn't do any good, no one else seems to think this is a serious problem. I have recently told my son that I forbid him to have anything else to do with her and if it continues, I will change schools (since the ring incident). I dont want something that will just work for the now, but for the long run as well. I just wish that he would realize that he has let himself down and would let me help pick him up. People tell me that I should be thankful that he's doing this now instead of when he gets older...but, i just worry that if I dont handle this the proper way, it will continue. Does anyone have any advice? How should I handle this?

Anyway, sorry to pour all this out here, but I will be willing to listen to some advice.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts about my father-in-law...he is stable right now. My husband will be leaving to go back to the hospital to be with him again tomorrow (Whitney, he will be up your way, hope all the snow is gone).

Whitney, I hope your grandfather is doing better.
Take care everyone!

Posted by: Ann on February 10, 2003 04:02 AMfrom IP:

Paul~
I am new to Aus. Film... I must admit having only seen two here in the U.S. I am a little deprived. I was pleasantly moved by the movie 'Strictly Ballroom' and shocked that it did not get more public notice worldwide. That being said I came looking for more! Behold a website! I think that it is wonderful that you are posting to the website often to show others that you have something to say; more than "Just a pretty face."

We crave understanding as a spirit, we crave praise as children, and we crave forgiveness as humans. We blame ourselves for not having an idealistic strength or cunning to beats all odds and succumb to doubt when we inevitably fail to meet that challenge. So why do we do that? Easy- we want more. More from ourselves, more from others, more from life...We can't say the money doesn't matter or that we really don't care what others think. We do and we will always be controlled by the insecurities to even the smallest extent. To be fearful of not matching your ideals is not necessarily a bad thing.

When you got married ~ did you change? Of course you did. Why? ~Because you wanted to be someone good enough for the one you set on a pedestal. You change when you find something you want. True ~there are some that don't change when they become a husband or father... and that is sad. It is one thing to want to remain as cool as you always have been, and it is another to realize how cool the next chapter of your book is.

And sure ~we do beat ourselves up, more than we should at times, but it is our goals and desires that get us through the day.


Here are some quotes I think you or your readers might enjoy:


"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. / You must be the change you wish to see in the world." ~Mahatma Ghandi

"Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes."~ Oscar Wilde

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." ~Ambrose Redmoon


Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi, sed saepe cadendo. (A drop of water hollows a stone, not by force, but by continuously dripping.)

Hope that wasn’t too sappy and tedious for ya! ~Heather Burdett

Posted by: Heather Burdett on February 10, 2003 04:11 AMfrom IP:

Evelyn, glad to hear you're giving yourself a break in many ways. Thanks for your encouragement and for sending my advice back to me. I've been up since 5 a.m. and speed-cleaning/cooking since about 9 a.m. I'm not close to being done. (Boys and husband off skiing, snowboarding, and reading the Sunday paper, in that order.) My plan is to read and relax after dinner, with no interruptions.

Thank you (and everyone else here) for your concern and good wishes for Audrey. I heard last night that she is going in for surgery on the 21st. I think she's stll too scared to think straight. Mildred is right, though, she needs to maintain some hope while preparing for the worst.

Ann, it's not much consolation, but I agree that it's better to deal with your son's problems now before he's of driving age. I offer the following thoughts with respect: The dropping grades, the lying, and the change of personality sound like classic symptoms of drug use. It may well be that the girl is part of a group that is experimenting with drugs and alcohol. (This stuff begins at an early age these days. Ask any high school kid about drugs on campus.) You are right to try to keep him away from such harmful influences. That may mean you have to monitor his every move for now. But I recommend you find a counselor who can help you approach this constructively. That may mean individual therapy for him and family counselling. His giving the ring without your permission was a really passive-aggressive action on his part. This girl, on the other hand, appears to have no problem acting out his anger toward you. Maybe he wants to strike out at you without incurring more of your wrath, so he gets her (directly or indirectly) to do it for him. Little white lies are to be expected from time to time; but combined with those other issues, I think you are absolutely right to take it seriously. Good luck, Ann. I'm glad to hear that your father-in-law is doing better.

Welcome, Heather! Good observations. And thanks for the quotes. (I need to create wallpaper to post all the wisdom gleaned from this site.)

Whitney, thanks for the specifics on your grandfather. I do find it helpful to envision a health problem and envision it's correction. I will take time each day to focus on that.

My good news this afternoon is that a beautiful, sweet foxhound rescued by a friend of mine has found a home.The animal shelter was on the verge of putting her down, but we got the word out and she's been adopted. Yahooo!

Arghh. Back to work I go.

Posted by: Diane on February 10, 2003 06:03 AMfrom IP:

Today the Universe chose to present an inescapable reality to me. I had cleverly avoided any recognition or understanding of it, until it was forcibly pushed into my face, then I had no choice but to see it. I shouldn't feel deficient that I couldn't see it before, we all compensate in some way. It's usually for our own good, but it does make us blind sometimes. I'm still learning.
It would appear that one of the fundamental needs of all human beings is something which I can never have.
Still, I have other blessings which I believe to be of far greater value. So, I shall do without. It's all that I can do. There is no other choice.

The process repeats:
Sense, feel,
Observe,
Understand,
Acknowledge,
Resolve,
Surrender,
Forgive,
Appreciate,
Transcend.

I think that I am getting it right. Well, at least I'm doing the best I can, which is all that I can ask of myself. That's good enough.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 10, 2003 06:17 AMfrom IP:

BIG Hey to everyone, I just got back today from a long weekend in Gatlinburg Tennessee on a church youth conference! Paul I was very very surprise to read your last two posts! why? because in my conference, all this weekend we have been talkin about surrendering and right and wrong and the meaning of life! I know its deep deep stuff! maybe I can just touch the surface of what I think! but Im not gonna preach to anyone! lol! Ok so on right and wrong! the question to answer is, 'Why is something right and why is something wrong?' well me being a babtist christian my first answer would be that God tells us what is right and what is wrong, that is true but the reason something is wrong is that its wrong! God is perfect therefore what is right is everything that is God. the poem on Surrendering was awesome! surrendering to what is right! I had alot of conferences on that! and I think doing that, and going on retreats like that makes me feel whole when I come from them! like sometimes I feel like something is missing in my life and when I hear about God and all the great things he has done It makes me feel whole! now I know not everyone believes in God or Jesus for that matter, but I do and Im only sharing what I learned over this weekend :) plus its funny that It goes alot with the last two posts!! Facing the storms of live!! it can be so hard but I think the hard stuff is what makes us better people! u can't just be handed something u have work for it!!! ;) Thanks for letting me share!! ;)
I wish everyone a wonderful day!
Much love to all
Kelli*

Posted by: Kelli on February 10, 2003 06:44 AMfrom IP:

Good evening to all!!
Paul, not bad, being at the right place at the right time, hopefully something productive will come of that meeting. You should be thanking Andrea for persuading you to tag along to the Ballet School.

Dad went thru the test with the cardiologist Wed and Thurs with flying colors. He meets with his proctologist tomorrow(Mon.) for a treatment decision.

My DH goes in tomorrow morning(Mon.) to have a rose thorn(we think) removed from his finger. It has been in there since July or August. We have been unsuccessful at getting it out, so a hand specialist that I have used before will go digging tomorrow.

I have another nephew that has decided to join the Marines. He signed up for 4 years active and 4 years inactive. This is the same kid that can't seem to get a job and keep it. We really think he just needs direction. One nephew who has been in the Corps for about 16 months is somewhere in the pacific ocean. They left San Diego 3 weeks ago bound for Hawaii then Japan and possibly the Persian Gulf. He is an electronics specialist on their helicopters and figures they will wind up in Kuwaite. Dustin(latest nephew) won't even see San Diego till July. Nice boot camp weather.

Surrender, Never! I'm too much of a control Freak! I think that is why I don't go to the Dr.'s, you have to give up control because with their knowledge you have to believe they are right and you are wrong.

Working for someone else, where there is someone over you, "In Charge", making all the decisions is to me a form of surrender. I hate having my every move checked. But I have, to because the bosses name is the one going on all the paperwork, so it is his job to check to make sure all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed. I guess the fact that he gets such great pleasure at finding my mistakes shouldn't grate on my last nerve!!! I just tell him that's why he gets paid all the big bucks.

Well I guess that's all from the crazy corner for now, must go get things laid out for tommorrow. We have to be at the Outpatient Center at 7:00a.m. for this little procedure. I can't remember the last time I had to be dressed and somewhere that early.
Hugs all around,
Sherrlyn

Posted by: Sherrlyn on February 10, 2003 08:33 AMfrom IP:

Peter, you lost me with "Today the Universe chose to present an inescapable reality to me." What was this inescapable reality? Perhaps it's right in your post and right before my nose, but I'm not seeing it, but it intrigued me. If it's too personal, ignore my question.

Ann, I don't think I have much advice to give you, as I'm not a parent. However, one thing popped into my head and that is don't push him too hard. He might be in a phase where he's redefining his identity and therefore needs to push boundaries, break rules, hurt the ones around him to find out that no matter what they love him. I'm really sorry that this is such a difficult time for you, especially whan you also have a father in law who is ill and thus the stress levels are already very high for you.

Whitney, I'm glad you asked for specifics that does help. I prefer praying/communicating with the universe with specifics in hand rather than having to be vague. I think the results can be much more specific as well.

Welcome Heather! I like your quotes. Thanks for posting them.

Sherrlyn, good to hear good news about your Dad and hope that all goes well with your husband's hand as well. I also relate to your not wanting to surrender because of being a control freak. I can be one and am in many ways, but surrendering is actually very freeing. Try it out! It's not as scary as I often envision it.

Diane, why are you the one who stayed at home while your three men were in the mountains having fun? Did they at least do the dishes? Hmm, perhaps you need to convice them to surrender to your will every once in a while. Sorry that again I'm returning your advice right back to you, though this time you had given it to Paul.

Hello Kelli, glad you had a good weekend.

Love to all,
Evelyn

Posted by: Evelyn on February 10, 2003 09:24 AMfrom IP:

Evelyn, So sorry, I've gone all cryptic again.
I'll try to explain simply:
I had a session with a health care professional this morning. He explained how a particular situation in my life would generally be recognised as a profound loss. I've never fully seen it that way, at least not at an emotional level (fortunate for me, I guess).
So, it's something of a revelation.

Sorry for my ramblings, I just thought it relevant to Paul's comment. Apologies to all for any self-indulgence.


Paul, I hope the chance meeting leads somewhere good, and quickly.

Posted by: Peter on February 10, 2003 10:36 AMfrom IP:

Evelyn, I wanted the house to myself, to be honest. And I had to get the house in order and food prepared to help the guys through this week. I'll be working all week and long hours, too. I haven't had to keep this tight a schedule in years, and now that everything is under control, I won't be unnecessarily stressed. Next week, we're invited to a Valentines Day party, so I have a fun outting to look forward to.

Sherrlyn, glad to hear good news about your dad. God bless and keep your nephews safe. Sorry to hear about your husband's thorn situation. Years ago when I did floral design full time, I had to have a half dozen thorns cut out of my fingers. Not fun, but the pain went away quickly. Good luck.

Goodnight to all!

Posted by: Diane on February 10, 2003 10:47 AMfrom IP:

How do so many posts get written in such a short amount of time.

I got to meet Todd Rundgren and even got his autograph. Are there any other Rundgren fans out there? He was great!

Ann, having never had a child, in so many ways I'm not qualified to offer advice and for obvious reasons I would hesitate to do so under any circumstances. However, I was a young girl with the requsite hormones at one time so I have a little to say. I'm assuming these two are sexually active. And I agree with Diane; they're probably at least drinking beer, but likely smoking as well. Sex is a drug too so it could be that's all they're doing. If a short-lived obsession is all that comes of this, be thankful. I would have a serious talk with your son about stealing from his mom and also about safe sex. I'm just guessing of course. I hope I haven't offended you.

Interesting post Heather. I too was surprised that SB had gone unwatched by me for all those years. I had heard nothing about it! Welcome.

Gosh Peter, Thou art a mystery. Which disciple had the "thorn in his side"? You remind me of him.

Kelli, what a coincidence. I think most people falter at the point where they have to lose their lives to find them. Giving up your life doesn't sound very appealing if you don't know what the advantages are. Glad you're back!

Sherrlyn, glad your husband's test went well. I hope the service has a positive effect on your nephews.

Thanks Evelyn for the continued thoughts. On the other topic. I agree; surrender can be freeing! And I too wonder why sweet Diane is slaving alone.

Sweet dreams everyone,
Love!!!
Whit

Posted by: Whitney on February 10, 2003 11:02 AMfrom IP:

Whitney,
No mystery. It's just that if I revealed the whole story, it may be viewed as unbelievable, or I might be seen by some as a nutcase. It's neither, I've checked!!! In the least, I would need a small book to do it justice.

BTW the disciple was Paul (Saul). Hope's it not an omen!
Paul's "thorn" was a demon (some say partial blindness) which prevented him from proclaiming his own glory, i.e he could not speak well of himself.

This is getting to spooky for me, better stop now.
How's the exercise going? Please do tell. A little inspiration is always welcome.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 10, 2003 11:28 AMfrom IP:

Peter, never apologise for ramblings!!!!!!!! Otherwise this board would be one long apology with out any other comments!!!

It begs the question - if you care to ramble on at length - what is the scoop.

Posted by: Paul on February 10, 2003 11:50 AMfrom IP:

Paul. Thanks. You're a good bloke (attention OS posters; that's REALLY high praise in Australia!).
I thought I'd dug myself into a hole with this one.
I promise that I'll spill the beans at some point, but, it's just as I've said, it would be nearly impossible to provide the background and detail necessary to lend any sort of credibility to my story, unless a lot of words were written. That's why I'm so reluctant. I've told a few people little bits of it, according to their degree of open-mindedness and capacity to understand what I'm trying to relate. I could tell it in a few words, but it may sound like nonesense, so I won't. When the whole story is told, it seems rather incredible, even to me.
I'm quite determined that if I'm going to tell the story, then I'll tell it well or not at all.
There have been a number of "professional" persons involved in my recent recollection of the events, (none of them were psychologists), most have doctorates or degrees of some description. They all independently and wholly agree with and support my recollection and interpretation of the events. The story is extraordinary in many aspects. At least it has given me some deep insight and explanation of who I am, individually and at a higher level. There I go, unintentionally being cryptic again.
The people I've worked with have been bugging me to write a book about this. Unfortunately there have been a few other considerations, but I'm sorting it out. One problem is that it sounds like fantasy. The other challenge is to limit the impact of it on other persons. It's potentially VERY personal and morally condemning, (but not of me).
Here's a teaser. It involves the following (not in any particular order):
Clairvoyancy, spiritual "movements", memory recall extending prior to birth and "out of body", cultural practises in days gone by,..... I'll stop now.
See, I sound like a nut case already!

Do you think it would make "Movie of the Week"??!!
LOLOL......no, just kidding.

It will interesting to see the responses to this posting. Thanks again.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 10, 2003 12:38 PMfrom IP:

This whole post was started as a consequence of how a freinds child telates to one of my children. It is in my opinion an abusive relationship and one I am not keen on fostering overly much. It is a shame and also hard as the parents - us and them - get on well but to get together leaves my daughter open to this subtle and unfair abuse. We keep a watchful eye and do what we cvan to protect her. It is also part of life that kids are kids and they must learn on there own but with guidance, guidlines and boundaries. It surprises me how kids, mine included, push the boundaries only to know how well protected they are or how loved. It is as though they require that proof - a security blanket.

Ann, I wish you well. I would have no idea how to handle it other then that wonderment of simplicity - talking - comunication is as simple as talking but getting people to talk is not always very easy. Sometime we think it is easier to bury it - but we all know it's not. Good luck.

Sherrlyn, Do you control control or does control control you. And what if I said the ultimate act of control is to give it away. Once you give control away you have nothing left but the freedom to be you. I used to think by being in control I could bend the will of the universe to my will. Through positivity I could make the universe give me what I wanted. Now I surrender to the will of the universe - a positive choice - and go with it's flow and positively affect that which I touch through it's design.

Destiny Faith Living Love

Posted by: Paul on February 10, 2003 12:51 PMfrom IP:

Peter, sounds like it will make a great movie of the week....

Ubducted by aliens perhaps??

By the sounds of it, it is something very un- mainstream. I mean no disrespect by having a humourous go at what it might be but MOTW was your suggestion! lol

What ever it is I trust you are okay. I wish you well and look forward to reading the book.

Posted by: Paul on February 10, 2003 01:03 PMfrom IP:

Ramble Pete!!

"Stark reminder of the fraility of growing up"
The words are so damn good, but what do they mean? I've got to think about this...What do those words mean?

nah whit..you don't sound bossy...you sound like a loving and frightened grandaughter.. Sending positive thoughts...

later all...

Posted by: bluedog on February 10, 2003 01:10 PMfrom IP:

Bluedog,.... rambling Pete....kinda catchy, huh?
Sounds a bit like a C&W singer. I'll work on it.

Paul, Ya gotta laugh. NO, definitely NOT mainstream. I'm fine, really, thanks. I still think about it in wonderment, though. It's been a shaky road for a bit, but I'm cruisin' now, mostly.

To be honest, I don't know if I'll ever write that book. I'm not sure this experience can be told in a meaningful way. I'll have to think about it some more.
I wish it WAS as simply as aliens, Yep, MOTW! ...that would be easy;.... a few hours in makeup,.... a nice shiny metallic suit,....hey, I think I'll change my story a bit. What, that's already been done?
Crikey, the X-Files is all finished... fast running out of options. Damn.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 10, 2003 01:29 PMfrom IP:

- Posts crossing -

ah... the child... how much to protect? when to let them fly? tough question and no answer...

and pete...only if you want to share... echoing m'curio, no disrepect intended... to the contrary, you show great courage and strength

outta here for the night...

Posted by: bluedog on February 10, 2003 01:31 PMfrom IP:

Peter,
I for one one would love to hear you're story as I am very facinated with all the things you spoke of as a "teaser". I assure you that none of it is freaky and it is one of those topics that no one talks about until someone brings it up and every one is not only interested but in most cases, has a story of their own. I know I do. Connecting with my father in the afterlife, having out of body experiences, it's not wierd...it's great. Most people don't see these things in their own lives until it's mention by another person who isn't afraid to talk about it. So when the time is right fill us in.
Sallie

Posted by: sallie on February 10, 2003 03:47 PMfrom IP:

Peter.
Ramble? Dude I should be the king of the rambling road. Paul is completely on when he said we'd all be apologizing if you can't express yourself here. That's why we're here. Tolisten, help, vent, nurture, and provoke spiritual growth amongst ourselves. (which in the book "The Road less Travelled is an indication of our love for one another as humans).
When you're ready,please share your story. What's the phrase no man is an island? The more input you get the more sense it makes. God knows I'm not one to judge.
A belated welcome to Heather. I enjoyed your comments.
Ann..the teenager. My oldest son is 12 and I haven't hit the girlfriend stage yet, and considering his special circumstances I may not, however I have clients telling me daily aboutheir kids. Just the other day a client told me her son has become withdrawn, screaming and shouting at her, stealing her jewelry, all the classic signs of drug use. Sadly it's happened overnight. Not suggesting that this is the issue with your son, but when you do see almost overnight changes. You must take a look at their peers. You may even need to do a tough love route. By that I mean, volunteer at his school a little bit. I don't know if you work outside the home or not, but if you can...do it. When he says he's going out...put on your coat. Where are we going? As for the girlfriend with the smart mouth...she would not be welcome inmy home again. No smart ass teen is going to come into my home and mouth off to me. hasta la vista baby. Period. I would not accept a lack of respect. My kids already know that and that will not change. One last word of advise..Therapy. Do it now..not later. Just some thoughts for you. But honestly no girlfriend of my son would ever come into my home and disrespect me. That would be the end of that period. I'd call her parents tell themwhat happened and say she's not welcome over here unless she cleans up. The son would be pissed but that behavior never has been acceptable and never will be. Nip it. Just my humble opinion. I know it's easier said than done. I do think about you.
Best of luck. Don't give up. He's young and can be turned around. Did you get the ring back? I shein turn broke something in your home? Send her parents the bill. And your son can pay rent on the ring. How many days was it outstanding? Charge him for it. There is a price for every choice we make. Never to early to learn that one. And all about what we've been dicussing, with choices comes pain. And with pain we often learn how to avoid itlater, which can then lead to making better choices and "gettin it right" or as right as we can without being perfect.
Please continue to keep us posted.
I almost did it yesterday guys. I have one more scene to complete in my script. I think if I get another massage this week, my mind will free up again and let the words and ideas just flow to the paper. I'm really feeling good about it. I'm ready to start another one.
Just thought I'd share this with you guys. My wife and I are making a point to sit down and talk twice a day with the door closed to the kids. My ten year old can be heard laughing he thinks we're "doing it". Is that a kid or what? Anyway, we're forcing/persisting at meaningful conversation everyday about what's going on and how we feel. We hold hands and look at each other. it's amazing. It's only short time from the hotel and moving out...but I do love her. She was the passion of my youth. We've grown older together and brought beautiful new life into this world together. The daily communication thus far and albeit short lived thus far, it is however working. We remind ourselves of our objectives. We step back and count to 10 before we just blow off about something. EFFORT. The spa next door to me has the day long vigils for the rich and famous. Well I've been walking each of my clients over to them every day and telling them about the wonders of the place and how great it is. In turn they've been booking like crazy. So I had signed my wife up for day of therapy there and the owner (a friend) said I could pay on it till our anniversay date. Well now she's said I've sent so much business I'm getting it for free. Awesome. And this week I'm doing a market survey for $75 (an hour and a half of my time to talk about cellphones). Then Sunday I do a wedding party. 3 Heads...$300. Yeeha! That pays for the night at the Ritz on our anniversary. Sound good? I think we should do it.
Still working day to day on issues, but I'm really beginning to be more positive. That book was so inpirational. If you haven't read it...you must. I start to get down about where I am financially still(itis looking up somewhat) and then I say..well dumbass..you got yourself here and you're going to have to accept the pain of getting yourself out of thishole. Take charge. You can't just will it away. That's been my problem for years. Just taking charge and steering my ship has been a change. I know we talked a few threads back about treading water and seeing where the current flows. Well I'm trying to set a course. I'm not laying back on a float just looking up at the sky. I'm looking into the distance trying to see some choices and trying to pick the island that will hold my boat.
I've had to start over on the weight thing. All the turmoil had me in a comfort food marathon. The cool part is my wife is actually helping me this time. She's trying to restructure her eating style as well so we can both get this blubber off. A tapping whale in May is not a pretty sight going to be.

See Pete..rambling??? but it feels damn good.
Oh and Paul...what was the shakespeare phrase? You have us all on the edge of our seat..

In hopes of peace...
Peace,Love and Happines to everyone
Tim

Posted by: Tim Hord on February 10, 2003 06:45 PMfrom IP:

Pete
Forgot to add...MOTW..definitely starring.....you guessed it Paul Mercurio. So you two should team upand write this thing. Paul is an excellent writer and for that matter you too Peter. What've you got to lose? Nothing!
Write it. Produce it. Enjoy the experience.

I spoke of a rambling road...Wasn't that a song Aunt Mil? Seems I have the sheet music to it. My mom liked it. Nat King Cole?

Later
tim

Posted by: Tim Hord on February 10, 2003 06:56 PMfrom IP:

Diane...Thanks for your thoughts!

Paul...Thanks for hurling these thought-provoking esoteric essays into cyberspace! The highest form of communication is the discussion of thoughts or ideas; 2) is events; and 3) people. So this site is on the elevated level. Throw in some fun (beard, no beard; to tattoo or not) mix in some kindness, and here we are!

Rock on, everyone! Linda

Posted by: Linda Thomas on February 10, 2003 07:32 PMfrom IP:

Peter, thanks for elaborating somewhat more, however, now I'm even more intrigued and hoping that some day you will spill, write this down as a book, make it as the MOTW, whatever. I think you just managed very well to get us to the edge of our seats waiting with anticipation. And as to whether or not your experience can be told in a meaningful way, I'd have to say that's up to you. Perhaps not everyone will understand it, but that shouldn't stop you. Okay, will read some more later, have to brave the pathetically icy cold weather outside (Peter, you want to do a repeat performance of sending some hot weather this way? it worked last time...)

Posted by: Evelyn on February 10, 2003 09:13 PMfrom IP:

Good morning, Whitney!

Timbo, the song is: "Ramblin' Rose" and yes, it was sung by Nat King Cole..here are the opening lyrics..everyone ready? One, two, three..

"Ramblin' rose, ramblin' rose,
Why you're ramblin' no one knows,
Wild and wind-blown,
That's how you grow,
Who can cling to our
Ramblin' rose..."

I've been thinking of all of you..yesterday Elliott and I went to a matinee movie in our new theatre, for the first time. The screen was enormous, and all I could think of was "wouldn't "Strictly Ballroom" look magnificent on that big screen..." The movie we saw was "Monsoon Wedding" from India, and it was hard to understand, being a combination of poor English and some subtitles...the closeups were breathtaking, however, and that's when I thought of Paul and Tara...

I'm still waiting to be "summoned" to go into the big theatre for final rehearsals. I feel that my cast and I are getting the royal shaft...(is that term still used today??)

Love,

Grannie

Posted by: GRANDMA MILLIE on February 10, 2003 10:08 PMfrom IP:

Good morning Grandma! I hope it doesn't get too chilly in FL today. Keep those little feet warm! You're precious to all of us!

Peter, you've certainly got my attention. Write the book regardless of the subject. It sounds like you need to clarify this for yourself. On the workout thing: I'm still at it. I confess I skipped my aerobics on Saturday, but I forgot to pig out on Sunday (free day) so I guess it evens out. I bought myself a pair of pants the other day as a reward. I hate shopping so much; I should use it as a form of punishment! The image in the mirror was gastly, but I know things will get better. Thanks for your encouragement. It really helps to know I have some friends pulling for me.

Tim, I'm so happy to hear about the cool things going on in your life. I have to read this book you're reading! It's had a big impact on you! It sounds like your wife has more respect for you now. Could it be because you stood your ground on the spiritual issues? This is striclty my personal opinion, but as a woman I have to be able to look up to my man. I don't want to be dominated, but I don't want someone I can push around either. I respect strong men with good hearts. Your words made me think of a verse from Ecclesiastes. Of course, I don't have it memorized, but it encourages one to enjoy life with the partner of their youth. Just remember, all passion dims. Maybe you two have enough in common to make it; maybe you don't. Only you know. Naturally, now that you aren't under as much pressure (the subject of leaving has been broached) the stress has been reduced. Whenever I was ready to ditch someone I would start having fights with them until I drove them away. It was easier than actually deciding to leave them.

Ann, Tim's advice sounds right. I wouldn't let someone come into my home and insult me or damage my property either (I doubt she destroyed that ring unless your son saw her do it). I'm guessing this girl has probably been pressured into sex and this really lowers a girl's self-esteem (funny, it raises a young man's) and is usually the beginning of a downward spiral. It would be interesting to meet her parents. And I wish my mother had provided the opportunity for counseling when I was younger. It would be expecially helpful if you did the counseling as a family. It can be expensive, but most communities have a center that provides services at a rate relative to your income.

bluedog, thanks for the positive thoughts. You're a kind hearted friend. You're so quiet. Is there anything you want to share with us? I want to know more about bluedog.

Paul, as you know, I don't have kids, but I was a kid and I know how mean they can be. Is there any way to talk to the other family about their child's negative behavior towards yours? I know you don't want to over-shelter your daughter, but depending on what's going on, this could have a lasting affect on her. Has she talked to you about it or is this something that you see yourself? Do the other people see it? You don't have to answers these questions. I hope it works out soon.

I'll check in later if the Universe allows! Worthy dog has to go out now and it's snowing! Yuck!
Love!!!
Whit

Posted by: Whitney on February 10, 2003 10:13 PMfrom IP:

Evelyn, hi to you too!! I hope you have a wonderful week!

Whit, I know it was a great coincedence! funny how stuff like that works that way! wink' love lots

Paul, I know when I was small and worried over everything from friends to just whether my parents were going to stay together. but it worked its self out for me, and all that I can say about having a abusive relationship with a friend is that its usually jealousy or controlling that person for the feeling of power!

Love to all
Kelli

Posted by: Kelli on February 10, 2003 10:20 PMfrom IP:

hello all, and welcome Heather. Now, in keeping with my self-appointed position as strangest poster on the list..I noticed Heather's comment that Strictly Ballroom didn't get enough public attention. That is true but the film industry did notice. If you will indulge me a short list includes,
1992
Won- the Cannes Award of Youth,
Won- the AFI Best Film, Best Screenplay
Won-Toronto Film Festival People's Choice
Won-Vancouver International Film Festival Most Popular Film
Noms- Paul for Best Actor, Tara for best Actress and Gia for Best Supporting Actress
1993
Won-BAFTA for Best Costumes.
Won-Robert Festival (Denmark)Best Foreign Film
Nom-BAFTA best Film
Nom-BAFTA Tara for Best Actress
1994
Nom-Golden Globes Best Comedy/Musical

And don't forget that Siskel and Ebert gave it two thumbs up!

Ok, enough of that...Peter you have piqued our interest so do tell. I've had a few encounters (demon attacks right Tim?) of a spiritual nature. It is freaky. Certainly can make you think you were on some type of reality altering drug, especially as the years pass.
That's all I have.

Posted by: Innussiq on February 11, 2003 12:23 AMfrom IP:

Oh yes..you got it Innussiq... : )

Aunt Mil..Ramblin Rose...I knew it was something ramblin..besides me. LOL

later guys
Peace Love and Happiness
Tim

Posted by: Tim Hord on February 11, 2003 03:25 AMfrom IP:

Sherrlyn, A comment re control:
There is no such thing as control, only the ILLUSION of control. We can sometimes become slaves to the illusion. Fortunately, we can always affect an outcome. (Sounds good to me).
Any thoughts?

Tim, I'm not sold on the idea of using Paul in the lead role for this MOTW biz. You see, the problem is that Paul's far too good looking to pass as me. We'd have to take to him with an ugly stick to make it more realistic!
Very pleased to hear that things are so positive for you. Accept some congratulations for you focus and effort.

Bluedog, Just can't seem to lose the imagery of "Ramblin' Pete - C&W singer". I can really dig it. I'm seriously considering the purchase of a 10 gallon hat and a pair of side irons (tell me, that's some kind of outdoor waffle maker, right?). Hmmm.....

Sally, Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, this needs to be done well. I'll work on it.

Evelyn, Yes, it's up to me to get it right (put it right?).
Re the weather: Gee, I thought I constantly sent hot air your way.

Whitney, I'm sure the image in the mirror was lovely, one small part of the whole. Keep rewarding yourself. Do you have any favourite tracks for aerobics workouts?

Kelli, Gosh, you always sound so full of life!
Keep that faith, it's worth every bit of the effort.

Peace & happiness to all.
Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 11, 2003 03:39 AMfrom IP:

Paul, how does your daughter feel about this other child? Does she ask that you not do things with this family as to avoid contact? As long as she has your assurance that her well-being is more important than even your relationship with the other parents, she will probably feel secure enough to choose a course of action. By that I mean try handling it on her own with your guidance, or let you intervene on her behalf. Kids are kids, but being cruel isn't some God-given right of passage. I'm glad you and Andrea are as observant as you are. To see your child being treated like that must break your heart. I hope there is a quick resolution that lets your daughter come away feeling good about herself.

Peter, I would love to hear your story, whenever you are ready to share it. How are we to grow as people if we aren't willing to read about things that expand our consciousness a bit? I am not afraid!!

Tim, when I made my statement about "floating", I by no means meant some directionless journey. I was describing giving up that need to control ourselves, others, the universe.... All of which resist. The irony being, we think the more we control, the more peace of mind we will have. WRONG! Control (or the need to control), nearly always ends up producing chaos. Not to mention it really wears a person down. I'd rather float than fight.

Ann, I have a son who is 14. He is all hormones, skateboards and rock & roll right now. I totally agree with Evelyn about showing him some unconditional love and really trying to talk with him about his feelings. If that means going to counseling, do it. I wouldn't do anything that might alienate him further at this point. They are still little boys in so many ways, you know? Even though their bodies are telling them differently. Please let us know how things progress.

I went to see "About Schmidt" last week. Has anyone else seen it yet? I'll bet Grandma has. What did you think? I thought Jack Nicholson was brilliant.

Love from Chicago,

Michelle

Posted by: Michelle on February 11, 2003 05:24 AMfrom IP:

Hello All and to you Paul.

I had a rough day at work. There were two bussers(including me) and I had to lift up heavy loads of trash with my body frame of 5'4. But tomorrow will be a better day.

Sara

Posted by: Sara on February 11, 2003 05:33 AMfrom IP:

Dear Ramblin' Pete (hell, anyone who starts a sentence with "Crikey!" deserves his own personal Hello, in my book):

PETER!
1) There is a ghost/spirit living in my son's bedroom. (He's nice, the old guy who used to live in the house)

2)My father's brother SAVED me from getting into an auto accident 3yrs ago when I was sobbing my eyes out during a rainstorm--crying over my father's death sentence of Stage IV cancer--and oh yeah, he died in Vietnam, the week I was BORN.

3) I have seen, with my own eyes, souls being REINCARNATED. (no, this time, NOT all toked up on grass)

4) John Edwards is NOT full of shit (even though he charges $300/per session) and communicates with spirits every day.

Spill it. PLEASE!!! THe suspense is killing me!


Hi everyone,
I've been a good girl and not logged on from home over the wknd. But I have to toss this out on the thread...it's from a book called (ok, Peter, this has to do with the alien abduction thing I guess...;-) "Bringers of the Dawn":

pg. 209 When you give yourself the dignity of your own love, as if you were royalty receiving the accolades of the people, everything changes. No one else has to love you. You are not here to go around gathering love from other people to convince yourself that you are of worth.

Ok, on that happy note...Ann, keep the opportunity to talk to your son available. Paul, good going on handling your situation as a parent. I have NO idea how I'm going to be able to do that, when my eldest (5) bawls when it looks like he might lose a game...and we've just barely started most times! Ergh...damned kids. Break my bleedin' heart, those ones...

Ok, I've gone elipses crazy (Evelyn, throw your thesis at me! hahahaha...hi girl!)

Oh, excercise--haven't done jack, except sledding in three weeks. I'm no longer sick, just haven't made the time. So somebody KICK me, please!

Smooches,
Dhiana

Posted by: Dhiana on February 11, 2003 05:35 AMfrom IP:

Kick, kick, kick,Dhiana!

Lots of great thoughts flying around in here!

Sara, sorry you had a rough day. Dont forget, lift with your legs not your back. It seems easy to lift with your back when you're young, but once you hurt yourself you may never be able to fix it.

Michelle, great thoughts on Paul's concern. Are you into psychology or a mom or both? How can Ann avoid allienating her son and still have an effect on his behavior? I guess positive reinforcement when he talks openly with her would help. Someone said it: communications critical.

That was a kind thing to say Peter. When I do jump on that trainer for a workout, I'm usually watching a DVD. Millie's subtitle idea allows me to read what I can't hear over the machine.

Innussiq knows her SB info! I had no idea that it received that sort of recognition, though it obviously deserved every bit of it!

Hey Tim! $100 bucks a head? I'm in the wrong business!

Kelli, it's good that we have your youthful input. You can remember more clearly the perspective Paul's daughter is looking from.

Things to do. Things to not do. I did put up a shelf today! I still need to workout though. Kick me please!
oxoxoxoxoxox

Posted by: Whitney on February 11, 2003 06:27 AMfrom IP:

Dear Michelle-in-Chicago,

Yes, we saw "About Schmidt" and loved it, even though it hit close to home, being it was about the plight of some retirees today...you note that I say, "some retirees!" You heard it here, that Jack Nicholson will cop another Oscar for this role...brilliant is the word, also, unbelievable, not like the Nicholson of old.

The scene with Katy Bates in the hot tub will be a classic some day, fodder for Jay Leno or the other late night comedians....she gave me a "lift"...no comparison, thank goodness, but maybe scary for young people that hate the word "aging."

Love,

Grannie

Posted by: GRANDMA MILLIE on February 11, 2003 06:33 AMfrom IP:

Dear Michelle-in-Chicago,

Yes, we saw "About Schmidt" and loved it, even though it hit close to home, being it was about the plight of some retirees today...you note that I say, "some retirees!" You heard it here, that Jack Nicholson will cop another Oscar for this role...brilliant is the word, also, unbelievable, not like the Nicholson of old.

The scene with Katy Bates in the hot tub will be a classic some day, fodder for Jay Leno or the other late night comedians....she gave me a "lift"...no comparison, thank goodness, but maybe scary for young people that hate the word "aging."

Love,

Grannie

Posted by: GRANDMA MILLIE on February 11, 2003 06:34 AMfrom IP:

Dear Michelle-in-Chicago,

Yes, we saw "About Schmidt" and loved it, even though it hit close to home, being it was about the plight of some retirees today...you note that I say, "some retirees!" You heard it here, that Jack Nicholson will cop another Oscar for this role...brilliant is the word, also, unbelievable, not like the Nicholson of old.

The scene with Katy Bates in the hot tub will be a classic some day, fodder for Jay Leno or the other late night comedians....she gave me a "lift"...no comparison, thank goodness, but maybe scary for young people that hate the word "aging."

Love,

Grannie

Posted by: GRANDMA MILLIE on February 11, 2003 06:34 AMfrom IP:

Dhiana,
Crikey! (Hey, I don't like to dissapoint).

Your accounts are compelling and persuasive.
I am still concerned that I need to be able to put it all into context, but I'll divulge a small part.
(Meaning: I'll spill my guts just a little).

Dear all,
Here's a SMALL but very relevant part:
This ties into the current thread re parental responsibility.
I won't go into detail how I know the following. I can only assure that it's actual, real memory. Several "experts" from different fields have concurred with this and believe it to be so.
The real life, concurrent events also serve to collaborate the truth and accuracy of the events, as recalled by myself.

Prior to my birth, all of my time in-utero, commencing at eight weeks after conception, was spent facing the challenge of constant attack from the person carrying me. This presented in the form of transfered anxiety, a botched abortion attempt, an inability to appropriate the nourishment I required, and an ongoing chemical attack via my birthmother's drug taking.
Simply put, I was dying slowly. My phychological responses had altered to try to protect me. My emotional fear response had frozen, and my physiology was permanently switched to survival mode. It seems that it was effective. Unfortunately, some of it has not yet "switched off" again. I make do by other means.
There was constant pain. I fought and I fought and I fought, but I was still dying. I had been completely overwhelmed and I was powerless to defend myself against the attack, even though I kicked and pushed incessantly. I can still hear my screams, though I could make no sound.

Just before I was born (prematurely), I died.
At least, this is the only way to explain it.
There was an expanding light, white in colour, with a tinge of blue.
I went to a place where there was a boundless consciousness. The consciousness presented itself to me in the form of Jesus. (Yeh, sure stop right there!!) There was no mistaking who it was meant to be. Long hair, beard, kind face, just as I myself might imagine him to look like.
Let me add, that when I was recalling this memory under regression (no drugs, no hypnosis, only an energy balance), I got to this point and thought "bullshit!", but I can explain this by my adult mind interpretting this in a way that it (my mind) can understand. Oh, make no mistake, this vision was clear. I could see it (still regressed) with my eyes closed or wide open! It was all happening again for me to see, and feel. I saw and FELT every part of it!
Let me add further, that there was no interaction or influence by any other person at the time I had regressed. The memory regression was something that my mind had initiated through it's own need, I believe. Mind you, it was TOTALLY unexpected.
The figure of Jesus reached out to me. I was drawn up into the higher consciousness, becoming one with it, and immediately felt an overwhelming sense of joy and power.
The consciousness spoke to me and said: "you can use all of your potential abilities to do what you have to do". This related back to thoughts that I had some months before; that I had to "do something", but I did not know what it (the "something") was. Hell, I only knew darkness and little else at that time.
My next memory was of being born. It was not pleasant and I spent the next few weeks being treated with drugs to lessen the pain of withdrawal from my birthmother's addiction.
Some time later, I believe at about six weeks, I felt much better. I then realised what it was "that I had to do". It was an important realisation. I was no longer helpless.
For the first time, I was able to relate to an environment that allowed me to interact.
This thing "that I had to do" was simply to survive. I succeded.
I believe some people call this "divine intervention". Call it what you like, but now that I am able to remember this, no single detail will ever be forgotten.

So there you have it, a small part of the story at least. Call me crazy if you wish, but this is genuine memory that had no sources in preconceptions or assumptions, or prior knowledge, or any other thing than I could conceivably use to extrapolate or to imagine what I have related. Yes, I believe that I am a very level-headed, strongly left brained individual without any specific strong religious beliefs.
Spiritual beliefs - certainly.

Oh boy, I'm a little flattened by that, and not entirely sure that I've done a good job of telling this. I apologise for the "robotic" nature of the story telling, but it's where my mind automatically switches when I relate such matters.
No more mystery. It's easy to understand, in light of it all, why I so genuinely consider myself to be fortunate without bounds. I think that's all I'll tell.
Thanks for "listening". I appreciate your kindness. I'll post this now before I change my mind.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 11, 2003 07:07 AMfrom IP:

Three words for Peter..

I believe you.

Posted by: Innussiq on February 11, 2003 07:18 AMfrom IP:

Peter, I'm so glad you told us your story. I would love to be regressed. If writing about it tired you I can imagine the actual regression was both physically and mentally exhausting. What a wonderful story your life is! Such triumph over adversity! I would love to hear more.

Whitney, I am a mom. I'm just trying to give support based on my experiences. All kids are different though.

Grandma, I thought Kathy Bates was so good! I wish her part had been bigger. The commercials for the movie played up all the comedic parts, making me think this was a straight out comedy. I was a little surprised at the despair and sadness of his life. We talked afterwards about how so many people live life that way, unconsciously, and wake up one day and realize they don't know the person they've been married to for 40 years. I, too, loved the movie.

Michelle in Chicago

Posted by: Michelle on February 11, 2003 08:12 AMfrom IP:

Peter, I totally believe you as well and you are definitely NOT nuts!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing this. I think it's amazing that you have these memories and thanks for not letting these difficult beginnings of your life pull you under. I'm really glad that you are such a surviver and also to have met you and I hope you will write this up as a book at some point in time. I'd love to hear the whole story. On a lighter note, thanks for the hot air, I guess you can't always win against the blast of arctic air that we get from the North Pole. To show my appreciation, on both accounts, here's a hug ((((()))) and a kiss for each cheek --hmmm who does one transliterate the sound of a kiss???--perhaps mmmmppuuuhhhh (no clue, sorry that's the best I can come up with today--Help.... :-)).

Whitney, don't feel bad about skipping a day of exercise, I skipped three in a row last week and I'm not feeling guilty one bit. Simply didn't have the energy and being sick on top of it all, what can I do. Did enjoy it even more yesterday and today, though. Here's your kick for the second month work out, one for Peter and a few for Dhiana (to get you started, maybe throwing my thesis at you might get you moving, 300 + pages can be rather heavy ... don't tempt me, can you tell I love elipses as well, don't get to use them in my professional writing much, I guess I make up for it here :) [great quote from "bringers of dawn" Thank you! if only I could keep up with all the wonderfull book suggestions on this board])--Whitney's KICK, Peter's KICK, Dhiana's KICK, KICK, KICK + 300 pages of paper!!! Lovely image conjuring up in my mind :)

Diane, I didn't mean to step on your toes or anything with my comments. I totally can relate to wanting to have the house to yourself every once in a while and staying ahead of the game as well. Did you at least get to the reading you had planned for the evening? Be well during your full week and try not to let it overwhelm you. I'm taking this evening off, nope no more work for this evening and my friend Jenn thanks you for "beating" some sense into me, although she of course is doubting that I will manage to implement the taking every other evening off right away. Will see how it goes. Perhaps that's an added challenge on her part ...

Hi Grandma, how are you doing? thought to say "Hi" to you here, rather than "only" in our private email exchange. Lots of love to you and Grandpa.

Paul, I thought about what you said re. your daughter's and your situation as well, and again I feel the need to preface this with "What the hell do I think I'm talking about? I'm not a parent" but anyway: Is she aware of this subtle and unfair abuse going on or is this your adult observation? Either way, make her feel safe that no matter what she does--take the abuse or defend herself--that that is her choice to make, that doesn't change your relationship, your love for her and her importance to you, nor her worth and value as a beloved amazing human being. But I'd also talk to her about the inappropriateness of the other child's behavior and discuss strategies with her how she can respond to that situation, which she is comfortable with, what appropriate and inappropriate responses would be for her (I know it's not always this black and white, but I'm trying to make a point) etc. and give her as much input as you can, but give her the space to make her own decision. Affirm her as much as you can, and let her know that she doesn't need to put up with such behavior. If you guys feel comfortable enough talking to the parents, that might be a good way too, but that sometimes is tough when you are friends as well, but then again, friends should have the well-being of their friends and their children at heart, but I know it can be tricky when you try to point our problems in the behaviors of a friends child. I wish you, your wife, daughter(s) and your friends and their child/children well and that you can resolve this to the best possible outcome for all involved. You all are in my thoughts and prayers/communications with the universe on this matter.

Okay, I know this is getting long again, but one more thing for Tim, congratulations on so many things: talking to your wife--Good for you guys!!!; for more or less finishing the script (Will I ever get to read it? Please!!!), doesn't it feel good to finish a book project?; for having found this positive spirit that I knew was in you all along!

Love to all, be well!

Posted by: Evelyn on February 11, 2003 08:36 AMfrom IP:

Thanks for sharing part of your story with us, Peter. Amazing! I don't know if I can be regressed, but I'd like to try it some time.

One of my best friends (Peter, who passed from AIDS about 8 years ago) was frequently visited by his mother's spirit. He used to joke that he kept an apartment with two bedrooms, so she would have a room. *** When my brother's oldest son was a toddler, he told his mother that my deceased mother would visit with him. *** My brother and dad and I once stayed in an apartment in the French Quarter in New Orleans where the hallway didn't conduct sound (you couldn't hear the person speaking at the other end of the hall, perhaps 8 feet in length); but we could hear the sounds of children in a playground, even though it was nighttime and there was no such place in the vicinity. *** Finally, I once worked with a woman whose 4 year-old grandson directed her out to a river and then told her about his prior life in which he drowned in that river.

Hi, Innussiq. Thanks for the info.

Good quote, Dhiana.

All comments are welcome, Evelyn. And no, I didn't get to my reading. I was too tired. (Okay. Now you can blast me.) I think your advice to Paul was pretty good. Children do need to be coached in how to deal with others; but they have to be allowed to develop those skill, too. I would say that if the trouble escalates, Paul, you and Andrea should talk to the parents.

This was my first day on the job and I'm tired. Dinner, some shopping, some reading, then I'm off to bed.

Posted by: Diane on February 11, 2003 10:31 AMfrom IP:

Good evening all.
Daily update of news:

Dad started hormone therapy for the prostate cancer. Hope it helps with the mood swings too.
He had to tell me that this little bottle of pills cost him $300.00. I suggested he just take Premarin, sis can get him samples for free.

Dan's surgery went well, over in 45 minutes. They found no thorn, just a grainey cyst. No penatration of the joint membrane and the tendons all looked good. Should be good as new in 3 - 4 weeks. Goes back next tuesday to have stitches removed. He's dealing well with the pain, big bottle of pills $1.71 Yeah!!!!

Control, Control, Control I don't know which it is. Sometimes I just look at it as the bosses son once said. "You're getting paid to be here."
So, I guess if I have to sit and wait for him to proof the work I've done so be it. It's his dime. I'll find something else to work on in the meantime. I just hate having this hurry up and wait system of getting things done.

Peter: Memories, what brings them on and don't we often wonder why we can recall somethings and not others. I tell no dreams before breakfast, they likely will come to pass otherwise. I've had dejavou(sp) on more than one occasion and it can be a little overwhelming.

Ann, Ann, Ann, living with the hormonal changes of a teenage boy can be the most exasparating experience mom's go thru. You want to be able to let them stand on their own two feet and help them in the right direction. On the other hand you want to hold them and rock them like the babies they once were and tell them everything will be Okay. I used to have a sign on my refrigerator that said You just live with teenagers and hope that someday they grow out of it. I agree with others tho, experimenting with sex, drugs, alcohol can really mess them up and they don't even realize it. But bad mouthed little girls don't fill my bill for future daughter-in-laws either. Send the parents a bill for the ring if she destroyed it. Make the son pay for it if she didn't. Counseling, check your school, most have one on staff and are trained to spot those suspected of experimenting with drugs and alcohol. First and foremost, keep the line of communication open. Sometimes having them yell at you gets it out of their systems and calms them down for reasonable discussions. I had a many of these when Keith was growing up. Not easy for either of us. But did not involve girls either. We both lived thru it and are both better for it. He has a lovely wife and both are doing very well together.

Tim and Evelyn: congratulations on the near completion of great works in literary talent.

Paul: What is the age difference in your girls and the friend's abusive children. If they are considerably older, put a stop to it any way you can. Take into consideration, that they may be acting out a form of abuse that they themselves are going thru. You know, what goes around, comes around. Just a thought, take care, and take care of the girls. Their health, safety and your sanity comes first.

Must go get DH settled into bed, has to keep the had above heart for next two days.
Hugs all around,
Sherrlyn

Posted by: Sherrlyn on February 11, 2003 10:57 AMfrom IP:

Hello, everyone. This is my first post so please forgive if this kind of message does not belong here. I'm not quite sure how over a decade has gone by before I managed to see Strictly Ballroom--I saw it this weekend and loved it so much I had to see it again! It was recommended to me because I am taking my first trip to Australia later this month. I am so impressed with Paul's Corner and, probably due to my American skepticism, at first wondered if it was the real Paul! Thank you, Paul, for sharing your thoughts. I found this post very timely because I tend to think "what if" too much. In fact, after seeing the movie, I even scribbled down one of its lines and put it up on my fridge: "Vivir con miedo es vivir a medias." That's one to live by.

Posted by: Jess on February 11, 2003 11:10 AMfrom IP:

Slow day at work. Caught up on all the posts. Cant comment right now but can give kicks all round.

Posted by: Paul on February 11, 2003 12:44 PMfrom IP:

Home from work and surprised no one has posted since I did.

Peter, I love your experience - does it frighten you to remember this or do you retain that feeling of joy and power? That experience enabled you to survive, shared with us it also gives us a sense of joy and power. Thank You. When I began to read it I went all goose bumpily it was like entering another room but in a different place or a different temperature.

I have had experiences with past lives, passed over family and with ghosts. I have seen them, talked to them and shooed them on their way. Never doubt the wonders of our world nor of ourselves.

Thank you all for your concern regarding my daughter. I am happy to say I am way ahead of you. The other parents know - as their child has been in therapy - my daughter is well versed in methods of dealing with the difficulties and what to do when it gets a it much. My wife and I keep an eye out as do the other parents. Before and after we talk to my daughter about how it was and about any problems or difficulties and again how to deal. My daughter makes my heart melt, she is so generous of spirit, loving by nature and has a nuturing heart. My post was how I feel as a parent watching and letting go - how frail the human condition can seem and yet she reminds me also of how strong. My nature is to jump up and protect - you know what I mean Ann - but sometimes we can only guide with loving words, offering them swords made from our love and support and shields made from our hugs and kisses.

I send my hugs and kisses to you Ann (oh alright to every one as well xoxox)It aint going to be easy but maybe it will be easier than you think. There has been lots of good advice here and I hope you can take from it that which you need and use our love and support as your sword and our hugs and kisses as your shield.

Welcome Jess. And hello again to Sara and take the advice from Whitney.

Tim, glad to hear things are moving in directions that - hate to say because of the religious conotation - show a light at the end of the tunnel.... Amazing isnt it. Not long ago you only saw one way adn alsmost took it and now there would seem to be a few more options. No one knows what they are but I hope and trust that you can sense that they are openning up to you. I am proud of you and happy for you. It hasnt been easy, nor is it going to get a lot easier in the short term as there is much to do but the fact the journey you needed to take has begun speaks volumes to your courage, your strength of spirit and your love for you wife, children and yourself. Where it ends ??? - if you surrender, have faith , know all is well, that is life - you will be at a new beginning.

Whitney Whitney Whitney did I spy a little peice of negative writing about you, a mirror and a dress???? Big KICK to you. We all do it and it's okay to do it - get it out - but it is only one point of view and one we know that you are working to change. I trust that you dont always subcribe to that point of view. I am proud of you too for sticking to it and making the progress you have. Keep going girl!!!

As for me I am not very active in trimming up. Looking after my diet, trying to consume less of the amber liquid and getting on my bike a couple of mornings a week before going to work. But guess what - I never do enough BUT I do what I can. The trouble is the picture I have in my mind for me requires a lot more work than I actually care to put in right now. If I wasnt working I could do my gym workouts and longer rides etc but I am happy that I am doing something, I am making choices and know I can make others at any time. I am moving forward - not like a tidal wave, more like a giant moving frozen glacier (why did I have images of the goddess Dhaina then - your post was like a tidal wave!)

Innussiq, Diane, Grandma, Evelyn, Sherrlyn, Michelle,Blue Dog, Sallie, Kelli, Linda, heather and Delta Lady Thank You all for you thoughts and posts.

I have enjoyed spending some time with you all over the last few days. I feel like I am saying goodbye...but I am not. I just know that when the working week gets going I cannot get back so often. Wish me luck, I didnt sell a thing again today. Having a dry spell, hopefuly will turn around tomorrow.

Love and healthy thoughts to all.

Posted by: Paul on February 11, 2003 06:03 PMfrom IP:

Thanks every one for your support and advice....I have talked to my son about alot of things, mainly reinforced that I love him and am concerned about him and the way he has let himself down this year. He has agreed to pay for the ring, the jeweler says it wont be much to fix it and I think it will help him learn a little responsibility. I know we will get thru this, he's a good kid....I did ask about the drug thing, He swears he isnt taking....Thank God. Thanks again guys, you are all terrific.
Paul, thanks for your encouragement...and the whole "use our love and support as your sword and our hugs and kisses as your shield" I am going to tell my son that...Thanks!

Have a good day everyone!!!!!!

Posted by: Ann on February 11, 2003 08:35 PMfrom IP:

Paul...You know that with all the committments you have - family, work, living - you can't dedicate all your time to getting into shape. Baby steps will get you there. As you tell everyone, don't be so hard on yourself! Linda

Posted by: Linda Thomas on February 11, 2003 09:47 PMfrom IP:

Oh, and Paul, you should be taking vitamin B complex which is excellent for stress and the metabolism. It is wonderful! Linda

Posted by: Linda Thomas on February 11, 2003 11:24 PMfrom IP:

I know that this is completely off the subject, but I need som help from you Aussies on this board....(is it polite for me to call you all "Aussies"?) My daughter's girl scout troop picked Australia as their country for an international project. We have an outline of what we are going to present, but most of the girls think that everyone in Australia acts like Steve Irwin. I told them that that couldn't be further from the truth and that the arts in Australia were a major source of pride with the dance, theatre and cinema. I mentioned SB and Moulin Rouge. What I would really like to know is, Is there a food that is something unique to the country? We have some "Vegemite", but I was wondering about some others. Paul, you talk a bit about cooking, what is something you cook?
Also, are there any games that children play there that are unique to Australia. Any info is useful. Thanks a million.

Posted by: Mary Ellen on February 12, 2003 02:31 AMfrom IP:

Dear All,
Sincerest thanks for your open minded and understanding responses. When I finished writing, I started to have doubts about the wisdom of having told it, but those apprehensions have melted away. Thankyou.
Health, happiness and joy to all of you and your loved ones.

Paul,
No, I am not at all frightened to remember it.
Sometimes though, I "link into" that feeling of being hopelessly and totally defenseless and overwhelmed. It hits me hard, but it is only a memory, AND it's OVER. I rise above it.
It gives me a great sense of comfort to know that there is something so wonderful waiting. For this reason, I have no fear of dying. When it comes, I will welcome it like a dear, old friend. Mind you, I still want to keep kicking on for a good while yet!!!!LOL
The revelation (i.e. memory, vision) allows me to understand myself, and why I am sometimes a little "different", NOT worse necessarily, just different. (aren't we all?!!)
One factor is the formation of ego (concept of self) while still in-utero. Normally, this does not develop until around 3 to 4 months after birth. This can have severe negative effects on behaviour, (strongly anti-social), but I'm lucky, I managed to escape that. The other challenge is that my brain never switches completely out of "survival" mode. It affects my general physiology such as the adrenal system and weight control. So, I ten to get chronically tired and fat more easily! Just another challenge to be conquered.
Still, life goes on. I feel priviledged to be here.

Good to hear things are working out for your daughter. Our children are so very precious. I believe that how we love and care for our children, is the greater measure of us as individuals.
Also nice to hear you are keeping a balance between work/family/exercise. It's bloody tough to find time to work out, I know. One step at a time (I keep reminding myself).
And finally, I hope the dry spell clears up real soon. Take care.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 12, 2003 02:46 AMfrom IP:

Dear Mary Ellen,

I'm an Aussie.
No, we definitely don't all speak like Steve Irwin.
He "plays up" the accent, general colloquialisms and mannerisms.

Food is a multicultural affair.
However, thirty odd years ago it was more like traditional English, but now it's far more multicultural with influences of Italian, Greek and Asian, amongst others.
I can't think of some modern food that's traditionally Australian. It probably used to be roast leg of lamb for Sunday lunch. Paul might help here.

Traditional sports include (for boys:) cricket, football (i.e rugby leauge, rugby union, Aussie rules), soccer and tennis.
Girls: Volleyball, netball, softball, tennis.
Both: Swimming, surfing.
What have I missed?

That's a quick round up. Hope it's of help.
(See, not a single "crikey", "streuth" or "strike me down" in the conversation!!

Cheers,
Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 12, 2003 03:05 AMfrom IP:

Struth Mary Ellen thats a real tuffy!

I's say sausage rolls and spin the bottle! Great food great game!

Tell her to watch out for the kangas hoppen down the road by crikey!

Okay I'm having a go. Australia is a great place. We are fairly well Americanised in lots of ways and yet we still retain some pretty distinct diffesrences. Your daughter will be fine!!

Sausage rolls are one of my all time favourites and are probably BAD for you. It is not what you think - you take a sausage mix of meat and wrap it in a long roll of pastry so that it looks like a pastry tube. Each end of the tube is not closed so you can see the meat. These are oven baked. you eat them with lots of tomatoe sauce or in your native tongue - ketchup. Spin the bottle I best not tell you about!!

Posted by: Paul on February 12, 2003 03:36 AMfrom IP:

Mary Ellen,

Oh crikey jingoes cobber digger!
(see Paul's contribution above)....!!
How immensely foolish of me,....oops, I meant: "strike me down if I'm not a dopey mongrel"... I forgot to even mention the "taste for the good things in life", namely; sausage rolls, (aka snagger rolls). Hmmm....could go a couple for breakfast right now, but I have to let the emus out of the shed, they're makin' a helluva din, lousy mongrel birds.
Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 12, 2003 04:17 AMfrom IP:

I was watching good ole Steve Irwin the other night, and his wife actually said something to him about using expressions she hadn't heard any other Aussies use. Specifically, "G'day, how's yer bum for warts?". Honest to God!

We watched an Aussie TV show called "Learners" the other night. All about people taking driving lessons and getting their driver's license. One woman's husband was speaking both Italian and Spanish while teaching her to drive. She wasn't progressing very well.

We are more alike than we are different, but those differences can be so interesting. The sad irony is that we as a country are so damned provincial while at the same time shoving our culture down other's throats. How many fricking McDonalds does this world need after all? Give me sausage rolls!!!

Peace,
Michelle from Chicago

Posted by: Michelle on February 12, 2003 06:18 AMfrom IP:

Mary Ellen,

I just thought of it!.... MEAT PIES!!!.... THE traditional Aussie fare!
In Australia, people go to watch the cricket and football (apparently) and consume huge numbers of this special Aussie delicacy. Nowadays, some folk even eat them at cafes or at home. ....shear indulgence. LOL
As with sausage rolls, they require the mandatory copious smothering of tomato sauce. Yummy!
I bet your mouth is watering as you read this!
(oh, I'm a bad man!!).
Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 12, 2003 06:22 AMfrom IP:

AGH!!!!!!!!!!! the only thing better than a meat pie for lunch - smothered in mata suace is TWO! Yep I do that on occassions!!!! I want one now. What a about deep fried dim sims? You can only get them in Victoria and there grouse!!!

Posted by: Paul on February 12, 2003 06:35 AMfrom IP:

You guys are making me hungry! If I bring some deep dish pizza will you meet me somewhere in the middle? You bring the Coopers.

Michelle in Chicago

Posted by: Michelle on February 12, 2003 07:10 AMfrom IP:

Michelle,
Bottla! Yep, your shout for Pizza. Better make it a REAL deep dish. We'll scrounge some Coopers.
Belly full of tucker and pissed as chooks by early arvo. Bewdy.

I have NEVER heard of "how's ya bum fa warts?"!!!
But, here's one: "How's ya mother's ducks?".
No, I'm sure about it either. Best keep quiet about it.

Paul, Deep fried dim sims! Rampant luxury!...I'm jealous.

Posted by: Peter on February 12, 2003 07:28 AMfrom IP:

Paul, I'm glad you are way ahead of us and let me just add, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And here's a kick for you as well, and why the heck not, one for Peter as well. KICK for Paul, KICK for Peter.

And meat pies and sausage rolls???? Yummmm!!! Of course I only had both of these a few times in the UK, so perhaps they are different from the Aussie versions, but delicious nonetheless. Good thing I just had dinner, I can control the cravings. :) But what are deep fried dim sims? Never heard of those. And now of course I want to know what spin the bottle is all about--and a few words you guys have used that I have in some cases a VERY faint idea with they could mean, in others absolutely no clue. I fear I'm learning another language ... :) good thing I like learning languages.

Be well, love, hugs and kisses, & Paul, I hope that work picks up for you today, and tomorrow and for the rest of the week.

Posted by: Evelyn on February 12, 2003 07:29 AMfrom IP:

All this talk about food.....YUM, makes a person hungry. The sausage rolls sound delicious, may have to "give it a go" sometime, if you would indulge me with the recipe, there Paul. Would I use like a breakfast type sausage or what? What seasonings, if any, do you use. Do you use like a biscuit mix for the pastry roll? Yes, I am one of these women who have to have cooking directions. Thank God my husband could cook when we got married, otherwise we would have starved. I was too busy climbing trees and playing back yard football with the neighborhood boys to learn how to cook. I have come a long way tho, I can cook now, just have to read the directions. Still not much of a "from scratch" kind of girl, but, I do okay when I have to.

Well, I am going to spend the entire day with my son at school tomorrow. His behavior today was unacceptable in class so I am tagging along tomorrow. I am definately not going to get the "mother of the year" award this year, for sure, but, I dont know what else to do. He is so angry with me right now. He thinks I have no right to interfere at school. Go figure.

Butt kicks to you whitney....are you snowed in up there? My husband is still in Lewisburg with his father. He says it's nasty there and more snow is on the way. How is your grandpa? Hope he is well.

Grandma, Hope you are doing well. How is your production going? Are you to the big stage yet?

Welcome to the new posters!!!! Paul is a wonderful host...very faithful to us.

Hugs to everyone, and Peter, I love to read your posts...the Aussie lingo is muy bien.

Posted by: Ann on February 12, 2003 08:33 AMfrom IP:

Wow the postings...
I'm doing so well on my diet and then you guys hit with the suasage rolls and fried dim sims and beer. Geez..lighten up, no pun intended.
My change of eating habits is back on schedule and doing well. I haven't had a Diet Soda in 4 days now. I'm drinking an average of 12 glasses of water, pissing like a racehorse but feeling better actually. Starting the exercise. It's a good thing.
Peter I'm very glad you shared with us. See it's a great form of release and we're all here for you. I've never had that experience per se, but I don't doubt it. The closest thing I had was after my mom died. I was out of town on an audit with KPMG. About four in the morning, I found my self in a daze kind of talking to her. And then with a really loud voice she said You'll be ok and disappeared. I sat straight up in bed and was frozen. It was incredible. Since then I've had other times where I know she's here. Or it sure as hell feels like it. Again...thanks for being so open.
Welcome Jess. Hope you'll join the board. It's an awesome group. We have great discussions and a really nice time together. It's feels like a great cul de sac neighborhood, except this is Paul's corner in cyberspace.
Paul...Thanks for the comments. I am starting over. I'm putting into action a lot of things I've let just slide by for a long time. Oddly enough I feel very together. I do love my kids just like you guys do. I only want what's absolutely best for them. Your statement about the sword and hugs and kisses. Very nice and so true. And I've got my fingers crossed for you for better sales this week...Don't feel bad though I only had two people today. $300 bucks..Whoopee..NOT.

I finished my script. I'm going back over it trying to fine tune a few areas and I think it needs one more scene to really give it the final finish.
Also...I'm getting a tattoo. Hey why not right?
Oh and thanks a lot guys...you gave more australian expressions in the cooking advice than when I asked for them...(just giving you guys a hard time). Actually that's great though, because they were used in the context of a conversation...exactly what I wanted. : )
Ann..Hang on to that kid. Watch his behavior closely though. I've seen a heck of a lot of kids screwed up early...if you have too many doubts take him to the doctor for a checkup and tell him to test for drugs. Just tell him it's time for a physical...make sure those hormones are working right...whatever works...and only if you feel it necessary.
Speaking of kids how old are your daughters Paul? Isn't one a teenager?
Mine children will be 12, 10, 5 and 1 this year.
Innussiq, Diane, Grandma, Evelyn, Sherrlyn, Michelle,Blue Dog, Sallie, Kelli, Linda, heather and Delta Lady, whitney, anybody else??? Hugs to you all and hope today or tomorrow is an excellent day.
Peace, love and happiness
Tim

Posted by: Tim Hord on February 12, 2003 08:51 AMfrom IP:

Good evening Grandma.

Peter, your story is awesome and I believe you. What a comfort to have some "insider knowledge". I suspect our fear of death is unwarranted, but we cling to our ego and fear its destruction most of all. I wonder what it will be like.

Michelle, I think personal experience beats everything when trying to offer help. Your words have truth in them.

Evelyn, I didn't work out last night, but I managed to do it today. I also did 20 minutes on the elliptical trainer (while watching "Minority Report") and walked my dog twice. I'm starting to feel like I have more energy and agility. I made an incredible save this morning when walking my dog. I hit some ice hidden beneath snow and came very close to busting my ass, as we say in WV. As I regained my composure, I had to laugh because I could see from some skid marks beside me in the swow, that someone else had just done the same thing.

Sherrlyn, I love your posts; you give honest, thoughtful advice. I hope everyone in your family mends well. I'll keep them in my mind/heart.

Welcome Jess. That saying is so important to remember. It's easy to let our days be stolen by our fears. I saw SB only about a year ago. How did such a wonderful movie sneak by us?

Ah, Paul, you busted me. Thanks for the kick; the view is already changing. Your encouragement helps, but it's even better to hear that you're getting in some activity yourself. I've been curious, but didn't want to pry too much. Try exercising aerobically 20 to 30 minutes after any meal. My lower body workout only took 50 minutes today. Do you have a set of free weights? The more muscle you have, the faster your metabolic rate. Who knows, it might even improve your sales. Even with a job you have to make the essential time. It's not as much as you think, especially if you give up some "things" temporarily. Enough said!

Ann, I'm glad you and your son are talking. I hope we didn't scare you with our honesty. Everything was said with caring intentions, and your response indicated you received it in the manner we intended.

I'm glad I didn't read all of these posts earlier. All this talk of delicious food might have made me head for the fridge rather than my free weights.

"Use our love and support as your sword and our hugs and kisses as your shield." I love that Paul! Thanks to everyone for the tangible support I find here. Hugs and kisses all around!

Good night Grandma. I love you.
Whitney

Posted by: Whitney on February 12, 2003 08:51 AMfrom IP:

Tim, we posted at the same time. Congratulations on the script!!!

On the tattoo: I hear ankle ones hurt like hell! Especially when they move into that area right over the bone on the side. Keep us posted.
Love,
whit

Posted by: Whitney on February 12, 2003 08:59 AMfrom IP:

Paul, my daughter, Krysten says hello...she loves to watch Strictly Ballroom and she is a big fan of yours. Could you please include a hello for her. She is 10. Thanks a bunch!!!!!

Posted by: Ann on February 12, 2003 09:03 AMfrom IP:

Gidday Krysten!! Glad you love the movie and thank you for saying hello to me! I have three daughters 13, 11, and almost 7 - their the best!! I hope you enjoy school and work hard but remember to have lots of fun too.

Take care

Paul

Posted by: Paul on February 12, 2003 09:59 AMfrom IP:

Thanks a million Paul, you have made her day!

Posted by: Ann on February 12, 2003 10:06 AMfrom IP:

Paul,
A serious question for you, it's something I've long wondered about.
(ONLY) if you're comfortable talking about it, then please tell:
What's it like having a famous face, especially in Australia, on a day to day basis?
Does it have many (any) drawbacks?
How do people react when they meet you?
Does it cause you any problems, e.g. privacy?
Does it mean any extra responsibilities?
Does it vary from place to place, different situations? Can you shed some light?....I'm genuinely interested.
Thanks.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on February 12, 2003 11:08 AMfrom IP:

Yes tattos on the ankle tend to hurt - quite a bit, I have had three on my ankles and they certainly brought a slight sheen of sweat upon my brow. So what are you gonna get Tim?

Pizza, pies, coupla mates, a few snags on the barbi, suck back a few tinnies - mate I'll be in it. Coawabinga till then.

Posted by: Paul on February 12, 2003 11:29 AMfrom IP:

Good evening to ALL of you wonderful people! (And you know who you are!!!)

I'm proud to say that I didn't even salivate when you started in about sausage rolls, Paul. Not even when Peter invoked meat pies. (Well, okay, just a little and mostly about the baked bread/crusts which I still miss, but don't crave anymore.) Two and a half weeks on Atkins (no bread, rice, potatoes, pasta, sugar) and I'm starting to feel like a new person. Slimming down, calmer, more energy, more focused and less fuzzy-headed, plus fewer sinus problems. This shift really hit me when I walked into a craft store last week and my head started to ache. I had never noticed this problem before even though I've been in there many times. Right away I knew it was caused by the chemicals in the dried flowers. Before this diet change, I might have attributed my reaction to some other cause. So Dr. Atkins is right. His plan really does help eliminate unnecessary ailments.

BTW, I'm reading an article now that says the most important factor for good health and longevity is not weight, but fitness. People who are overweight, but who exercise have a lower mortality rate than those who are at or under their "ideal" weight, but are sedentary. Hooray! Let's go take over the fashion industry!!!

Congratulations on the script, Tim.

Glad you're feeling good about your disclosure, Peter. And thank you once again. I, for one, am fascinated by your experiences.

Gotta run. Hope I can catch up with you later in the week. (I have three longggg days ahead of me.)

Love yuz,

Diane

Posted by: Diane on February 12, 2003 11:56 AMfrom IP:

Hey Ann,

In my book you DO have the "Mother of the Year" award!! I think that you have temendous gut and fortitude!!! He says that he doesn't want you at school? I don't beleive it. I'll bet that he's secrectly reveling in it. Although he may never admit as much. I know that when my 12 yr old acts out it has so much to do with the attention that she gets. Negative attention is better than none, I guess. I have 2 1/2 yr old twin boys. they take up a lot. Right now, Mary, my oldest at 12 and in 6th grade is in the mode of turning in late assignments and generally not intereested in school. She thinks I'm totally weird. I will have to say though that I caught her singin "sweet and Innocent" by Donny Osmond the other day. I just laughed. I made a CD of some of Donny's songs just for the heck of it. It really dates me though. hahahaha
I just think that you are wonderful in showing that you are concerened enough to spend the time and do whatever it takes to help him acheive and rid himself of the bad influences. Well, your the mom, you can get rid of the bad influences no matter what he says. He may not now, but definatly will love you for it. Where's his dad in all of this? Tim had some real good advice. 13. Does that mean he's in 8th grade? Wow. I really starts young. I asked my good buddy who teaches 2nd grade and she said that yes, this kind of dating and girl stuff and drugs and peer presure does indeed start that early. Can't say that I'm looking forward to it. I will definatly keep you and you son in prayer. Can't wait to learn how it goes tomorrow. Have Fun!!!!!

Love to all,

Margie

P.S. I too love the idea of hugs and kisses as a sheild. Have to go back to remember the other part. But I'll use it too. Goodonya!!! My good girlfriend is from New Zealand. I also say, "I'll give you a ring" that's telephone call. She said that she had never heard that in America. My mom's going to be 85 next month. that's where I got it...

Posted by: Margie on February 12, 2003 12:56 PMfrom IP:

Wow and then WOW!!! Dang and then DANG!!!

Miss one day and all kinds of things going on at m'curios place! Took forever to catch up, made it to the food section - left over fajitas begged to be eaten!!!

Pete, Innussiq got it right "I believe you" - thanks for sharing - brave and courageous, not knowing what the reaction would be... Side note--Rodeo will be here next week, there'll be rambling, cowboy hats up the wazoo, and probably some side irons tucked away somewhere-to make waffles that is!

granny mil - saw monsoon wedding...liked it...felt the heat and traffic of india - came away with "everyone, everywhere, all the time should dance" - and that's 'xactly what i'm going to do - i'm going to dance when the music plays!!! (my own vague metaphor)

(evie,dhiana-are these ellipsis?) like em....so gonna use em......(lol)

page 209, bringers of the dawn...great words...think i'd better get the book, thanks dhiana

and timmer-you rock, no other way to say it...

what else? oh yeah, welcome to jess and heather! keep posting...

later..

Posted by: bluedog on February 12, 2003 01:20 PMfrom IP:

I'm back. Just for a second or two...

Mary Ellen, for a little more authentic Aussie flavor (not that Paul and Peter aren't doing an admirable job :), you might want to get some of John Williamson's music. He's an Australian folk singer. My cousin and her husband who live in Queensland (he's a native) shared some of his music with us. It's sweet and funny and lovely. His web site is: http://www.malleeboy.com/

And Ann, I'm glad your son is willing and able to communicate with you. Acting out is a cry for attention, as Margie said. Still, it's not always easy to remember to give attention for positive behaviors. I have one son in high school and one in junior high. My 13 year-old started out his 8th grade year thinking that junior high didn't count. I had to remind him that j.h. grades guide placement in high school. Still, those two years are a big transition. I think we still need to fight for them, but also cut them some slack at this point.

Alright, now I really have to go soak my hands. Two days of floral design and I've got the mitts of a coal miner.

Posted by: Diane on February 12, 2003 01:58 PMfrom IP:

Hey Linda,

Got a question for you. Are you the Linda Thomas that's married to David Foster? Just curious. :) Hey Paul, I love your regional dialect, wish I had a sexy accent. :)

- Tiffany

Posted by: Tiffany on February 12, 2003 09:22 PMfrom IP:

Ann, here is a link to a sausage roll recipe. It uses puff pastry for the dough, which I've had as well, but I've also had them with a "breadier" kind of dough. http://www.greatbritishkitchen.co.uk/gbk/recipes/starters/sausagerolls.htm Sounds easy enough. I have a recipe back home, but unfortunately no access to it. The cookbook is packed away in one of my many boxes in Mum's attic.

Diane, why would I want to bust you for wanting to sleep instead of reading? Whatever it takes to get you through a crazy week sane ... oh, by the way, I took two evenings off in a row and I'm thoroughly enjoying it :-) and got all the things done that I wanted to under my reasonable adjustment plan. Yep, let's indeed take over the fashion industry!!! and I think you are absolutely right about the link between better fitness and less health problems. Haven't had a sinus infection in months and I used to get them all the time (nasty things!)

Mary Ellen, another Aussie kids related TV show, now sold on videotapes in the US are the Wiggles … if it is something authentically Australian, can't judge that, sure sounds like it though and is rather funny, mostly for really little kids though. Cracks me up every time I get to watch it with Trent and that cracks him up in return.

Whitney, I'm giving you a BIG pat on the back for not exercising again, don't take it the wrong way, I'm just trying to counter your feeling bad/guilty about it that I sense in your comments. I'm very proud of you for plugging (sp?) away anyway whenever you can. It helps me on some days when I don't feel like it to go to the gymn again, knowing that you and others are doing it as well. What exactly do you do for your lower and upper body workouts? (okay you can email that to me if you don't want to post it here or for that matter since not everyone might want to read that, who knows) good safe on the skidding. I'm usually not so lucky, I always fall the same way, taking the brunt of the fall with my left wrist, injuring it badly every time it happens. So far I've been lucky this winter and haven't applied this special talent of mine. May that trend continue .... How's your grandpa and how's his swallowing going?

Ann, I'm proud of you for going to school with your son and wish you all the best. Here's a hug for you and I'll cheer you on as you embark on this difficult journey with your son.

bluedog, I guess you are right, I like paranthetical comments ( ) and ellipsis … and I like "Evie" I don't think anyone has called me that before. How are you?

Tim, congrats on finishing the script!!! Have fun with editing unless you've already done that, in which case you'd be way ahead of me.

Paul, Peter and Michelle can I come to the barbecue beer hangout as well? I'll bring something typically German along, if you'd like, nope it won't be German beer, though that could be arranged as well. Oh by the way, you (i.e. Peter and Paul) have lost me with the Aussie idiom now, but I like it anyway, it sounds funny and makes me break out in laughter, which is a good thing. Thanks for making me laugh!

Have a great day all!

Posted by: Evelyn on February 12, 2003 10:47 PMfrom IP:

Good morning, Whitney, I love you too!

In fact, I love all of you for accepting me, making me laugh, (almost making me weep), and generally accepting me, warts and all, as your surrogate "Grannie". Sometimes Grannies, like children, should be seen but not heard, but you have allowed me to do both, (check the Yahoo pix site) and I thank you for your love and patience!

I therefore proclaim, for Valentine's Day, (which will be in Australia first tomorrow) that "I adore you all" and will be sending a special Valentine from Elliott and me to you, if your email address at the end of your posts will support it!

So, in case the Valentines do not go through, we want to wish you and your loved ones, (with all our hearts) love, happiness, success, good health and peace!

My wish list: Ann, Bluedog, Cat, Delta Lady, Dhiana, Diane, Evelyn, Heather, Innuusiq, Kelli, Linda, Margie, Mary Ellen, Michelle (Chicago), Michelle Nova Scotia) Paul, Peter, Sallie, Sara, Sherrlyn, Susie, Tiffany, Tim, and Whitney....CRICKEY! I HOPE I MENTIONED EVERYONE!

Your ever lovin'

Grandma Millie

Posted by: GRANDMA MILLIE on February 12, 2003 11:31 PMfrom IP:

Good morning, Whitney, I love you too!

In fact, I love all of you for accepting me, making me laugh, (almost making me weep), and generally accepting me, warts and all, as your surrogate "Grannie". Sometimes Grannies, like children, should be seen but not heard, but you have allowed me to do both, (check the Yahoo pix site) and I thank you for your love and patience!

I therefore proclaim, for Valentine's Day, (which will be in Australia first tomorrow) that "I adore you all" and will be sending a special Valentine from Elliott and me to you, if your email address at the end of your posts will support it!

So, in case the Valentines do not go through, we want to wish you and your loved ones, (with all our hearts) love, happiness, success, good health and peace!

My wish list: Ann, Bluedog, Cat, Delta Lady, Dhiana, Diane, Evelyn, Heather, Innuusiq, Kelli, Linda, Margie, Mary Ellen, Michelle (Chicago), Michelle Nova Scotia) Paul, Peter, Sallie, Sara, Sherrlyn, Susie, Tiffany, Tim, and Whitney....CRICKEY! I HOPE I MENTIONED EVERYONE!

Your ever lovin'

Grandma Millie

Posted by: GRANDMA MILLIE on February 12, 2003 11:31 PMfrom IP:

Hello, everyone! Thanks for the recipe Evelyn. I will be sure to try that out. YUM!
Grandma - i included my email address this time...Thank you for the special Valentine's wish...LOVE YOU!!!!!
Margie - I made it to school with my son today, he really did not want me to go and in fact was pretty upset with me, but, i went anyway and I am glad I did. He will start seeing a tutor tomorrow for his math, which is actually his math teacher (wonderful lady). I spoke with the school guidance counsellor, he will be talking to my son from time to time. He was such a neat person. I am looking forward to feedback from him. As for where is daddy, he is in west virginia right now taking care of his father. His dad is really sick, his heart is failing him and he developed renal failure and kidney failure. It's only a matter of time for him, bless his heart. He tried talking to our son, gave him the, "I need you to be the man of the house while I am gone" talk, but it hasnt done any good. I only hope that todays trip to the school did some good.

Tim - congrats on the script.....good luck!

Happy Valentines day to everyone!!!!!

Posted by: Ann on February 13, 2003 01:45 AMfrom IP:

Margie, I loved Donny too! My first "crush" was on Bobby Sherman. I was also a fan of the music of the Jackson Five. Their songs are some of the best ever, in my opinion ( "Got to be there...").

Studies show you're right about negative reinforcement. It's just as powerful a motivator as positive. When I was a kid my mother had to come to school once and, looking back, I did seem to enjoy the fact that she was there for me. I'd been skipping and the teacher wouldn't let me back in class until he met with her. She had a job and wasn't interested in my education, but I didn't misbehave to get her attention consiously. I recall being motivated by a general restlessness. I wish someone had clued me in a little about why I was in school. Dreams coming true or something??

Ann, sorry to hear about your husband's dad. This has to be hard. It looks like my grandfather is going to leave us as well. I was told kidney failure last night and then told it was a bladder mystery problem this morning instead. Hospice is getting involved. They're going to move him back to his assisted care residence and we'll wait it out. He hasn't eaten in three days but their not feeding him with an IV. they say the sugar could cause diabettes. I think they're just letting him starve and I plan to take a can of slim fast over in a few minutes and let him drink it if he's alert enough. I know we all have to make the transition someday and I realize it just may be his time (he's 95), but it's hard for me to give up. Who knows the will of God? Thanks for your continued thoughts and prayers.

Hi grandma. I hope you're having a great day. Don't worry about me. Tell Ellie I said hi!

I almost fixed a toilet today. I replaced the part embarrasingly called the ballcock, but I