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Friday, 04 June
oldbies/newbies

Not too happy about the tone of some of the posts. Some newbies have come on boards and hijacked the thread. Some oldbies are none too pleased with the change. People seem to be getting ruffled and indignant, talk of flaming, talk of what happens on other boards, talk of shame, mention of offence, people coming, people going. It has been an interesting couple of hundred posts.

Heres what I think - this has always been a place where we listen to each other. It is also a place where we talk, comment, be honest, laugh, share and cry. Listening to each other is important and caring is important. Spelling is not so important!

Michael and Richard I am very happy to have you as part of this community but (sorry about the but...) but in your enthusiasm I fear you have run over a few of the oldbies. You have both used the word "assume" a very dangerous word and concept. To assume often means to not listen or to comment on that which you dont know. One of the things I am working on constantly is to not assume, in fact I am trying to purge it from my vocabulary. Richard you have made assumptions regarding my action and thoughts and then laid them at the feet of oldbies who have been here for two years. A newbie telling an oldbie how it is - it rubbed me a bit. Granted you dont know who some of the longer attending posters are. That is where the non jumping to assumption and listening part comes in. Michael I am sorry to say it but Mil is our appointed Gran Ma and as such she is our appointed authority figure because she is the oldest. Like a good Grand Ma occasionally she sticks her nose in where perhaps she shouldnt but it is done with love and concern and we forgive her because she is the oldest - because she is Grand Ma Mil. Being a new member you werent aware of this. If you need anything or somebody's e-mail Grand Ma Mil has it and gives very generously too.

Newbies upset the apple cart could have been a good title to this post. I did find your post to her unecessarily aggressive but understand it hit one of your buttons regarding the past.

Grand Ma Mil I am going to give you a slap on the wrist too. I havent left the post, never have, I just wasnt coming due to the stuff of my life for the moment. I am sure you were speaking on behalf of some posters but not all. Your comment regarding the way it was in the beginning: I have read all the posts and the first two hundred or so is as per the norm: we talked about the blog at hand. But after that I think that topic was covered and people moved on. The fact I hadnt posted a new blog meant that people meandered which for the most part is good. I am a bit miffed that I wasnt reading when all the recipe stuff was on as you guys know I love a good recipe.

Respect is a good word and a convoluted concept at times. Ultimately it is earnt through time. Grand Ma Mil calls me "our Paul" which after posting here for a year and a half or so I feel that I know her well enough to be comfortable with her and that title. Newbies need to give us (oldbies) time to get to know you and visa versa before we start casting assumptions and spiteful words around the room.

Through knowledge comes understanding.

As for the poster with no name I am sure you are aware that this is not what this site is about.

I have said my bit. I thought Inn, in her last post or so said it well enough as did Sherrlyn. So now we may forget about the oldbies and the newbies and us and them type feelings and be a community. open, honest, tolerant and quick with a smile.



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Comments

To all of you who welcomed me to this site thank you very much. I too enjoyed some of the receipies that were also on this site as well. I hope that in the last post i made that i did not offend anyone in any manner and if i did so then i am truly sorry. I would like to tell all who visit to think happy thoughts and to have a wonderful day.

Melinda

Posted by: melinda on June 4, 2004 12:18 PMfrom IP: 205.188.116.198

Paul, You're like a good shepherd, always tending to the flock.

Knowledge and understanding; yes the two are inseparable.
Personally, I'm also a big fan of truth.
You always speak the truth, and that's why You have My respect.

Have a good weekend.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 4, 2004 01:20 PMfrom IP: 203.41.31.95

Hi,

I haven't been here in a long time.

Gosh, I leave ya'll alone for a little bit and the fussing/fighting begins.

Let's all be nice, I've missed everyone.

Take care,
Vickie

Posted by: Vickie on June 4, 2004 01:27 PMfrom IP: 68.17.236.231

Happy to "see" you again, Paul; regret the circumstances. I guess sometimes we all forget how to play well with others. Wishing everyone in all the various time zones a peaceful day and at least one good, honest belly laugh.


The "other" Vicki

Posted by: Vicki on June 4, 2004 01:51 PMfrom IP: 205.188.116.198

Dear Paul,

Your return is like a ray of sunshine, and I am sure that everyone is elated that you are back!

I know you had many pressing matters to attend to, and I also knew that you would eventually return, which you have, thank goodness!

I am sorry if my poor choice of words seemed to insinuate that you dropped out of PC for good, for that was not my intention....I know better!

Peter, so good to hear from you! Hope all is well, we missed you too!

Vickie and Vicki, welcome, and I would suggest that we make some sort of distinction between you
like we did with Michelle, who always signs, "Michelle from Chicago". (In those days, we had 2 Michelles!)

Peace and Love,

Mil

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 4, 2004 05:24 PMfrom IP: 4.234.72.6

Mmmmmm I am somewhat confused (which is pretty normal) by the two Evelyn's floating around??? And now two Viki/e's!! There is Evelyn - she of the long post and who leaves unfinished beers around and then there is Evelyn - aka Helen darling whom is new and I have probably not welcomed?! A belated welcome to you!

Jo, thank you for your honesty and bravery intelling us your story. There is not much to say right now other than I am so glad you are here with us and I am honoured that you take the time to be a part of this group. I would like to talk with you more about what you told us but for now I have had a couple of beers and need to put the kids to bed. So later if that is alright with you.

Grand ma Mil and all youse others that read this, you may like to know my beautiful wife is back on the stage guesting with the Australian Ballet. Some of you may remember that two years ago she was asked back to play the queen in their production of Swan Lake. Well they are doing another season and she is up there in all her glory, prancing around the stage and loving it. I am being a house husband and loving it - even better she is bringing in some bucks!!

A belated welcome to Melinda also! Thank yo of extending the hand of friendship.

Got to put the kids to bed. I have put the duck (peking style marinade) in the oven and the roast potatoes with garlic and rosemary too. May open a bottle of wine then do the bok choy (garlic, chiilie and ginger) and have it ready for my sweetheart for when she comes home! Ah the simple things in life, hey?

Posted by: Paul on June 4, 2004 06:34 PMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131


Hello Paul,
Good to see you posting again. We always miss you when you're away.

Gosh, here you are making dinner and here I am wondering what to have for breakfast! Funny how the time zones are. When you are sleeping, I am working, and vice versa!

I think it was a good idea to start a new, fresh thread. You always have a way of explaining things that make sense. I certainly wish I had half your insight. But, then, that's why I come here. If a question gets thrown out to all here, you get a lot of different opinions.

So, will start anew, too, by saying hello to all the newbies and hey to all the oldies. Looking forward to your posts.

Smiles to all,
Sally C.

Posted by: Sally C. on June 4, 2004 07:22 PMfrom IP: 207.239.14.37

Hello all PCers,
A new day. Hope it goes well for you all.


Hello Paul,
Good that you're posting again.
A new thread.
A new direction.
Respect going both ways.

To requote Vicki's quote of Shakespeare from the last thread:

"What's past is prologue."

A new act begins.
Let the journey continue.

--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 4, 2004 07:37 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

PS to Paul,
Greetings to the Swan.
Be sure to rub her feet!
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 4, 2004 08:18 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Sally you could always try my beer and egg recipe in the recipe section!!! It is pretty good - although I would say that!

Richard life is exactly that isnt it. Every day a new day, a new challenge, a new beginning. Thank god for new days and change and yet by golly it is hard to deal with it all as well. Strangely I struggle and embrace all at once - but perhaps that is the way life is meant to be. And so I embrace and struggle "to be".

And back to Jo from whom I would like to hear your thoughts on that. Life is a struggle so what has got you through this past year?

Posted by: Paul on June 4, 2004 08:23 PMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

Dear Paul,

What a lovely surprise to learn that your beautiful Andrea will be dancing in "Swan Lake"!

How well my (senior) peers know this ballet, for I have shown it numerous times in my video concerts on that large 9 ft. screen.

The ballerinas are always gorgeous, tall, and so graceful, no wonder Andrea is dancing again!

Not bad either, being a house husband, and a master chef to boot! Best wishes to you both and the girls!

Status of "Follies": Rumors are flying that it will be the best yet! Rehearsals are a hoot, with the cast members still applauding, smiling, (and laughing) even though they have seen each act over and over.

Tim, where are you, we miss you!

Peace and Love,

Mil

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 4, 2004 08:25 PMfrom IP: 4.234.72.6

I made her dinner! Do I have to rub her feet too!! I thought perhaps some other area would be better....................like her neck - dont know what you were thinking!

Posted by: Paul on June 4, 2004 08:26 PMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

Keep talking about the follies and the more I wish........

Echo..."Tim where are you, are you, you..."

Posted by: Paul on June 4, 2004 08:28 PMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

Paul,
Ah yes, change. Some people embrace it gladly. Some people go kicking and screaming, swept away on the waves of the inevitable. Usually it's better to go with the flow. More often than not the current takes you where you want to go anyway. If not, then maybe you end up in a better place than you ever imagined?

>>I made her dinner! Do I have to rub her feet too!!
--Well, if you're a truly full-service establishment...let the customer decide!
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 4, 2004 08:35 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

PS: Paul,
Hope the 50,000 monkeys aren't making too much racket!
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 4, 2004 08:37 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Paul,
"What has gotten me through this last year?"
Answer - one foot in front of the other.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 4, 2004 08:47 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.250

Paul,
I have spent the last hour thinking about the question. What really has gotten me through everything is my husband and only my husband. Several of my cousins and my brother have bi-polar manic depression. They have gone through multiple marriages, alcohol, drugs and are still where they started. My wonderful husband has passed up job promotions (and almost gotten fired once) which would have meant he had to travel just so he wouldn't have to leave me alone. My husband and I will be married 39 years in July and he says he wouldn't have missed a minute of it - the good and the bad. When I thought I had lost him in April and if I had my life would surely have been over. He is my anchor in the storm, he holds me up when I can't stand and that is what has gotten me through this last year.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 4, 2004 10:48 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.150

Good Morning Everyone:

It's beautiful here and hope it is where you are too.

Paul: Thank you for your post. It explains and enlightens. I feel clearer now. As Michelle would say, the brain fog has lifted on this new day - starting anew with my best other foot forward.

How great that Andrea is performing and to come home to a fantastic dinner and the rub of . . . what was it? . . . oh yes! the neck. Yes that's it.

How about giving over with some of those recipes too? Please don't leave us with our mouths watering! Also the Spanich Chicken you spoke about. Made your roasted veggies. Fantastic!

Well, I've got to run. Have a fantastic day.

Anon - anew - renewed,
Michael

Posted by: Michael Davey on June 4, 2004 10:49 PMfrom IP: 4.158.189.236

Jo:

I've been where you are - several times, in fact. I know what it feels like to be alone, depressed and hopeless. I've suffered from chronic depression - treated and untreated - all my adult life. But when my husband chose to end his life nearly nine years ago, my whole perspective changed. That's not to say things were wonderful after that and, in fact, me and my children and stepchildren went through hell for a very long time (some residual stills exists today). And I still do get depressed. I just know that some options are viable and some are totally unthinkable. Life is gift, dear Jo. Sometimes a gag gift, and sometimes one you'd like to return, but always a gift. I don't know if I'm making any sense here, and these things are difficult to talk about with any ability to make others understand, but if you'd like a friend to lean on or listen to you, please email me. Chin up, girl! I hope you know how very lucky you are to have someone love you for 39 years - and would do it all over again. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and he for another happy 39!


Vicki (in California)

Posted by: Vicki on June 4, 2004 11:04 PMfrom IP: 209.203.66.2

Vicki,
I am so sorry to hear about your husband. You have to have depression or live with someone with depression to truly understand it I think. Over the past 39 years I have told my husband a number of times that I sure couldn't love me so I don't know why he does. I have not been an easy person to love. I do know what you mean about life being a gag gift. I have thought before that I hope the gods are getting a big kick out of all this because I'm sure not. Yes, I know I am lucky to have the husband I have and I thank God everyday for sending him to me. We were teenagers when we met and I never dated anyone else so I think he was sent to me.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 4, 2004 11:16 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.184

Good Morning, Afternoon, or Evening where ever you all may be. Paul sounds like you had a lovely dinner with your sweetie. As for the rubbin I would have to agree to let her choose but the feet if you do rub them does have the most nerve endings in the body so if you rub her feet you could relax her entire body. Either way have a lovely time. I have to get my kids off to school. Happy thoughts to everyone and enjoy your day.

Melinda

Posted by: melinda on June 5, 2004 12:09 AMfrom IP: 205.188.116.198

Hello to everyone on the site. I guess I am a newbie. Paul, saw Strictly Ballroom and thought that you were great! Then I looked in the internet and found this site. I have been reading everyone's postings and am very impressed at how close you "oldbies" are. I don't know what happened before, but I am sorry that it happened to this site, which is a beam of sunlight to me when I visit it. And Paul, your postings touched my soul. It was like you knew exactly how I feel about things. I am sooo glad that you found your soulmate, you deserved to find her! Wish I could be so lucky!!

Anyway, I just wanted to say how much I enjoy reading the postings.

Love to all the family!

Beth Ellen

Posted by: Beth Ellen on June 5, 2004 12:15 AMfrom IP: 12.153.125.99

I stop visiting this site for awhile and this is what happens...
Vicki, soz about your hubby...
Seems everyone's been having it a bit tough...I, too, have had plenty of questions that need answering. Some have been answered, but it just opens up more questions...
Pray everything can only get better for all of you!

Jen

Posted by: piratesavvy on June 5, 2004 12:22 AMfrom IP: 203.109.249.137

I forgot to tell all that my husband passed his stress test, echocardiogram, and all the other test with flying colors. The doctor told him he could resume his old activities (he just doesn't know what all his old activities were) so tomorrow he thinks he is going to cut down a tree. The heat index here has been 110 degrees almost every day, so I think he won't be cutting down that tree like he thinks (at least not if I can help it).

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 5, 2004 01:19 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.145

Hello,

First-I want to say that I'm not the least bit offended by suggestions of names for my baby-I welcome them. I'm more geared to Anna Bethany but my husband doesn't like the Bethany. Well, we have a few months....

Vicki(in California)-I'm sorry to hear about your husband. You're a courageous woman to post about it.

I'd like to offer a bit of "insight" if you please. I am bipolar and I do know what it's like to be depressed enough to be suicidal. I want to say that thanks to people like my husband and two excellent health professionals-my life today is greatly improved. Although I cannot currently take my medication (pregnancy issue going on here, ha, ha), I have the support of these individuals. Also, I've done alot of learning about bipolar and now have new "life tools" to use.

Since I'm feeling a bit punchy today-I look at my bipolar like this....I have something that's treatable and managable although not curable. I will not let it beat me because I've already been to hell and I have no plans of returning. I'm no longer afraid of episodes because my bipolar doesn't define who I am.

So, while I do not intend to ponder on such a "heavy" topic-I just wanted to give a little insight and would welcome any help that I could give.

HUGS!
Abeth

Posted by: Abeth on June 5, 2004 01:34 AMfrom IP: 128.220.113.100

Paul,

It doesn't matter what you rub on your wife-just don't rub too long in one spot-variety is the key!! Sorry-I couldn't resist a bit of humor!!

HUGS!
Abeth

Posted by: Abeth on June 5, 2004 01:43 AMfrom IP: 128.220.113.100

Jo:

Congrats to your husband (and YOU) for passing his stress test. But, honestly! Cut down a tree? What's with that? Better hide the axe, saw and chainsaw!

Abeth, I like your attitude about your "condition" and am very glad that you have a good support system, especially while being pregnant (which is a roller-coaster ride all by itself) and off your meds.

I like "Anna" and "Bethany", but I also like "Emily" and "Rebecca". As for boys' names, my grandson is named "Phoenix" and so I'm really partial to that! :)

Paul-the-house-husband - Congrats on your lovely wife's dancing. It sure would be nice to see photos of her performance. (hint, hint!)

Hello and Happy Friday to everyone (unless it's already Saturday where you are!)

Vicki

Posted by: Vicki (in California) on June 5, 2004 01:48 AMfrom IP: 209.203.66.2

And, forgive me for this third post but I wanted to thank those that have given wonderful "morning sickness" suggestions!! I'm suffering from "Baby Brain". That's where I absorb nothing in my brain because it's mush!

Just a bit of humor...we're joking about naming the baby (if a girl) Anna with a middle of Another. Her name would be Anna Another Hester (my last name)! We certainly could try Polly-get it-Polly Hester! Oh, I'm killing me today!!

HUGS, again!
Abeth

Posted by: Abeth on June 5, 2004 02:04 AMfrom IP: 128.220.113.100

Hello to all my friends in PC old and new!

After reading through the new thread so far, I know one thing for sure. There is one lucky woman living and breathing today. Swan Lake, followed by dinner & foot/neck rubbing (she can take her pick) a la Paul Mercurio.... Is that reality I just described or a fantasy?? Andrea, life sounds pretty good for you at the moment. I hope it continues to be.

Millie, you know how much you mean to me. Can't wait to see the Follies!

Jo, I've no doubt your husband was sent to you. And you to him. You were both lucky to find each other so soon. My mother used always speak of my father as you just did of your husband and his reply was always - I am the lucky one. I'm sure your husband feels the same way. I'm so glad his test results came out so good! It must be a great relief for you both. Best wishes to you.

Abeth, have you tried soda water? It was the only thing that worked for me. My older boy is called Martin, so I'm biased towards that name! Hope you & baby are well.

Jen, good to hear from you again.

Beth Ellen, you're very welcome!

Vicki, you've come through so much. I wish you joy in the future.

Love to Paul & to everyone here,
Mary

Posted by: Mary on June 5, 2004 04:29 AMfrom IP: 83.70.42.187

Well I'm glad that is settled.
Hello all. Nice to see you again Paul. I hope Andrea is really enjoying her current path. Just for the record I love a good foot rub but if my hubby makes me dinner I don't push for the massage, I save that for when I make dinner.
Abeth I'm glad to hear your are doing well. Welcome Beth Ellen and nice to see you again piratesavvy.
Hello Peter! Hello Grandma Mil. Come in Tim, come in, can you read us? Hmmm, no response.
Peace, Inn

Posted by: Inn on June 5, 2004 05:18 AMfrom IP: 65.206.79.85

Hello Everyone:

Vicki - Exit to Eden Vicki? Big belly laugh to you too.

Rockin Jo: So glad to hear you husband passed all of his tests. But the tree? You know what to do. I'm sorry for all of your troubles. I'm thinking of you.

Abeth: Thanks for sharing. And now a bit of humor for you. The middle name for a daughter could be Ineda. Anna (I NEED A) Hester. Be well.

Hello Mary, Michelle, Inn, Evelyn aka Helen, Helen aka Evelyn, Marge, Richard, Kim and everyone else.

Soon
Michael

Posted by: Michael Davey on June 5, 2004 05:44 AMfrom IP: 4.158.189.41

Kim,
If you read this could you send the email again. I received it but there is no information in the "From" field so I can't open it. Thanks
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 5, 2004 07:45 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Welcome Beth Ellen and welcome back piratesavvy! It is always good to see a new face (so to speak) and always warming when an old friend comes back!!Jo, I am glad your Hubbie passed his tests with flying colours but it is so like a bloke to want to celebrate by doing something super blokey!! Maybe you could talk him into firing up the barbie and with cold beer in hand and a few ribs sizzling away he would feel suitably blokey! And you would get a nice feed too!

Abeth - good luck with the naming!! What sdo you think of Gwenth calling her daughter Apple? My wife always liked the name Marnie. I wasnt so keen on that name then but now I quite like it. My daughters are all E's - Elise, Emily and Erin and I cant really imagine them any other way. What a fabulous journey you are on.

I would love to stay and chat but I am teaching a drama workshop in 3 hours and I have not got my act together for so to work I go.

Posted by: Paul on June 5, 2004 07:50 AMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

Richard sorry about that. I have sent you another one so I hope you can open it. How are you doing?
You haven't been around very much.
Chat to you soon, the kettle is now on!

Michael sweetie how are you today? Thanks for your messages it is getting late or should I say early now so I will be in touch tomorrow. It was nice hearing from you.

Hi to everyone else in PC land. Let's hope we can all start again and get to know eachother properly.

Take care
Kim

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 5, 2004 08:26 AMfrom IP: 81.131.6.171

Hey Paul.

Sorry it's been so long. And Auntie Mil, and Whit, and Evelyn and Inn and everyone. We went to Florida on vacation and then when we got back our phones were down (lines torn down again..we've got GOT to move), television didn't work and I was working on the school work...getting prepped. And then I signed on last night and there were over 400 posts..I couldn't even beging to start.

I've missed you guys. Hard to believe my second home got corrupted. This is such a wonderful "cyber" family. Love and caring words and inspiration and smiles all generate from this spacial special place rightly called Pauls corner.

I've made it through some seriously depressing times here. I suffer from bi-polar and went through a suicide attempt and people here were and are so supportive. To whomever this may affect please know that we who have been posting for a while now..have great respect for each other and their various personalities. It's wonderful.

As always when people say they miss you like my lovely Auntie Mil and then a special "echo" from my mate Paul...well what else can be said???

Paul I'm so happy for Andrea. That is thrilling and exciting and wonderful when you get to do what you love as you well know. Tell her to "break a leg" You know what I mean. It would be awesome if you taped it and sent it to Cat so we could buy a copy...I'd love to see her in a ballet..think about it.

My life is moving along. I start school on July 5th. Birthday is on the 6th (44). My kids are psyched that it is summer. We're opening the pool this weekend..hopefully. They are driving me crazy about it.

I do hope everyone is doing well and making the best of life. It's so true today it just today. We have tomorrow to look FORWARD to. I read Dr. Phil's ultimate weight loss plan. It's the bomb. It has helped me on so many levels: I'm excercising (sp) looks funny anyway and changing my way of dealing with food. Not as a comfort thing or anticdote but for what it truly is. I'm already losing pounds. And feeling wonderful about it. I'm going to make it this time. I've changed my mindset. It's liberating.

Oh I forgot..One of my clients today Paige P. was showing me pictures of her grandkids. Interesting note her grandson played Fedx in Cheaper by the dozen and just finished wrapping a pilot for a sitcom with Kirstie Alley and Ricki Lake. They don't think it will be picked up for fall but probably mid season. The pic's were cool. Her grandson was with Steve Martin and Bonnie Hunt. Then he got a special squeeze from Hillary Duff. At the premiere he took a picture with Ashton, Tallulah and Demi Moore. Demi could hug me anyday...anytime.

Anyway....it's now time for a Huge
GROUP HUG...sounds like everyone needs it.

peace and love

The Timmer

He's BACk......

Posted by: Tim Hord on June 5, 2004 09:06 AMfrom IP: 216.78.33.67

Paul
Welcome back.

Hello to everyone else, especially those we haven't heard from in awhile.

May life's greatest gifts always be yours--happiness, memories and dreams.

Take care,
Marge

Posted by: Marge on June 5, 2004 09:22 AMfrom IP: 199.182.67.5

Hey All,

I agree with Paul and Grandma Millie. And I have to admit I did feel pushed aside b/c of too many posts and people comunicating throught this blog rather than just exchanging e-mail addresses.
And we definitley need to maintain the integrity of what Paul is trying to achieve here with this blog ( I don't mean speak for you Paul and I don't want to assume but I guess I'm assuming oh well).
In other news, came home from school today and gardened until sunset. I watched each neighbor get into their cars all excited going out for the evening and what am I doing, pushing dirt. I've got to stop being a slave to my house, calm down on the chores a bit and enjoy a little relaxation, clothes shopping, or hang out with a few friends (and call Grandma Millie and Stud Muffin and join them for cake and coffee). The past few, weeks except for las Satursday when one of my neighbors invited me for pizza and white wine, the eveings have turned into hybernating in the house and projects dealing with...the house. Tommorrow I will make more of an effort to live it up or out rather. I'll finally go to the beach (and watch body builders wearing speedos strutt down the beach after a back wax, that was mean of me oh boy)and sandle shopping after I Vacumme the car, take the dog for a walk, study for a test next week , eeeeeehhhhhaaaaah!

I"ve learned something, I'd rather have a life than a perfect house.

Tommorrow I will seek a new adventure and hopefully have something intersting to share next post.

wish me luck,


It is not possible for me not to find something adventures in Fort Lauderdale, possibly a


Posted by: Julie on June 5, 2004 09:25 AMfrom IP: 209.214.1.195

possibly a... encounter with...a...I forget it I'm too tired to imagine anything right now.

:)

Posted by: Julie on June 5, 2004 09:28 AMfrom IP: 209.214.1.195

Thank you Paul.
You always have a way of setting the corner back on it's track so to speak.

Tickled pink that Andrea is back on stage, Swan Lake no less.! ! !
Now if we could see you back in your element, I think tickled purple would suit several of us.

To all who suffer manic depression and are bi-polar, at least you have been diagnosed and are receiving treatment. I get laughed at and told that it's all in my head, YEAH, RIGHT! Duh???? Then I reach for another pint of Homemade Vanilla and Strawberry ice Cream. Then the whole world takes on a different look. Maybe I should read Dr Phil's book?

Anyway, lots to do tomorrow, must get kitchen cleaned up tonight. Gathered fresh plums this evening, another big storm moving in from the north. Hopefully we will have no Hail. I have a momma cat that just insists on moving her kittens(2). She just will not leave them in what I consider a protected area for bad weather.

Hugs to all here at the PC
Hugs to Paul and Andrea and the 3-E's
Welcome to all new and old.
Sherrlyn

Posted by: Sherrlyn on June 5, 2004 10:57 AMfrom IP: 69.6.184.24

Julie, being an obsessive compulsive I can totally relate to the whole clean house issue but I've found a great way to deal with it, I stay out of it! It works like a charm, but I have to figure out a way to sit and watch a movie without having to clean the place.
Saw the newest Harry Potter tonight and it was excellent. I will go see it again for sure.
Hello to all, nice to see you Tim, sorry for your techinical difficulties.
Peace, Inn

Posted by: Inn on June 5, 2004 11:58 AMfrom IP: 65.196.120.145

My Dear Timmer,

I was concerned about you, and here you are, after a nice Floridian vacation (probably on the west coast, right?) sounding optimistic about going to school, and getting on the weight-loss program...good for you! Now, what about those tap routines for "Follies"????

Rehearsals have been going great here, but not always with a full cast because people come and go (it's vacation time, and yes, even retirees like to go on "vacation" (trips, etc.) To me, retirement is an ongoing vacation every day.

Julie, we'll look forward to your visit soon. By the way, being you will be the designated tour director during the FIF around Ft. Lauderdale's beaches and shops, make a list of sights to see for our lovely PCers.

Those body builders in speedos sound promising and maybe I'll join the tour too, but only if I know what a speedo is. I think I used to know...

Sherrlyn, good to have you back!

Abeth, take care, feel good. By the way, we have
9 grandchildren and 4 great-grandchildren in Israel who all have Hebrew names.

Ellie has a written record of their names and birthdays, so we won't forget. The eldest, our first granddaughter, now a mother herself, is named "Noga" which means "evening star", (like Venus) then boys named Elchanan, Dotan, Yakov, Matanya, and Avi, and girls named Batya, Bina, and Chava. "Dotan" was village mentioned in the Bible where Joseph was taken by his brothers.

The other names are Hebrew names, common in Israel. Does that help??

Peace and Love,

Mil

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 5, 2004 05:57 PMfrom IP: 4.234.81.73

Ahh the good old speedo! Also known as "dick togs" here in Oz. I will let Peter explain as he is the expert on Ozzie culture and a damn good bloke to boot! That is if he is not too flat out like a lizard drinking.
Speedos love em or hate em>

Me I hate em, give me boardies any day!

Posted by: Paul on June 5, 2004 09:48 PMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

ps I reckon Peter has perle dick togs to compliment his perls suite!? Of course worn over the all over! Isnt that right Peter??

Perhaps that is unfair of me but you are welcome to take your revenge! :_)

Posted by: Paul on June 5, 2004 09:50 PMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

Abeth,
Try candied ginger or ginger tea for your nausea. It is an old Chinese remedy, but it is supposed to work for most people. Make the tea with regular ginger and sip it.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 5, 2004 10:07 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.158

Hello Paul,
I gave my husband your advice, but he looked at me like I was crazy. He says it is just a small tree and he had planned to cut it down before his heart attack so why not do it now. Of course, we will have the BBQ later if we're not back at the hospital.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 5, 2004 10:11 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.158


Good morning/evening to all, depending on where you live.

Paul,
I tried your eggs and beer recipe this morning and it was a BIG hit! You're going to laugh at me, but I didn't have any chicken or meat leftovers, just hot dogs, and decided what the hey, and threw them in. I'm off to the grocery store later for ingredients for tomorrow's dinner. Your chicken recipe sounds delish! Thanks for the suggestion!

Tim,
Good to see you back and in such good spirits.

Peter,
Good to see you again, too. Oh noooo, not purle speedos!

Julie and Mil,
I have no problem sitting under my umbrella on the beach, sipping a cool one and watching all the bodybuilders in THEIR speedos! I do draw the line at thongs for men, tho. Can't remember what they call those things - pouches???

Cat,
Thanks for posting that great article on Andrea! I was hoping to find a write-up about her and here you are, come to the rescue!

Paul,
You must be SO proud and Andrea sounds so excited about performing again. This is a feel good thing all around. Congratulations!!

Gotta get this show on the road, as they say, so will wish everyone here a good weekend. It's raining here but I don't care. If it's nice out, all I want to do is get outdoors. When it's like this, I get a burst of energy and start one of my projects that I've put off for a rainy day...

Smiles to all,
Sally

Posted by: Sally C. on June 5, 2004 10:23 PMfrom IP: 12.76.93.157

Hello to everyone and I hope you are all enjoying the weekend.
Jo what are you having on your BBQ? I haven't had one of those for such a long time. We don't have the good weather like you do so most of our cooking is done inside, put an extra sausage on for me.

Paul it is good to see you are posting again, what's it like being a house husband? For some strange reason I can't imagine you with a feather duster and furniture polish in your hands and yet I can see you cooking in the kitchen with your beer! I really hope you find work soon.

I hope you all have a great day.
Kim

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 5, 2004 10:31 PMfrom IP: 81.131.142.202

Sally
I must have missed the article on Andrea and her performance in Swan Lake. Where can I find it?

What is a speedo? Something OZ?

On a sad note I am attending a memorial service for a horse friend. Her husband died suddenly of a heart attack with no warning. They sold their farm to their daughter retired two years ago, bought a diesel pusher and have been touring the south. They were on their way home for the summer. He was a young 58.

Hay gang!
New ballroom dance movie coming out in October. "Shall We Dance?", with Richard Gere, Susan Surranden, and Jennifer Lopez. Not to take anything away from you Paul, and SB. Still my favorite dance movie.

Today is the third jewel of the triple crown in thoroughbred racing. Can't wait so see if Smarty Jones can do it. If he wins he will probably be retired to stud because of the enormous amount of insurance they would have to carry on him, to keep him racing. Something like 40 Million or more.

Glad to see you posting again Timmer.

Enough babbling
Take Care
Marge


Posted by: Marge on June 6, 2004 01:10 AMfrom IP: 199.182.74.117

Marge: Speedo's - Mens swimwear originally designed for competition swimming and diving. Now all the guys who think they have a bod think they can wear them. NOT!!!

If I remember correctly, Paul wore a gold one in Exit to Eden? ? ?

This must be the weekend for BBQ's. We are planning to fire up the grill and cook a few ribs, hamburgers, and maybe even some chicken.
We have a charcoal Weber and I'm trying to talk DH into a Stainless Steel, Brass Burner gas grill so I can use it too. I can never get the charcoal to light, stay lit or get hot enough to cook. For years I cooked on a small Habiatche(sp) grill and really didn't have too much trouble but this big one irritates me.

Well I have plums cooking and need to go check on them. Can't decide if I want to make Jelly or Jam. But have to do something with them. Picked Apricots this morning, will stew them to go with the BBQ and Beans.

Have a wonderful weekend, everyone enjoy the weather, we are supposed to have more storms this afternoon. Be careful with the fire starting your BBQ.

Hugs to all,
Sherrlyn

Posted by: Sherrlyn on June 6, 2004 01:47 AMfrom IP: 69.6.184.87

lol@the post

anyway just wanted to drop by and say hi to paul i just saw joseph the other day on tv and it made me think about how damn sexy you were once again. hott with the egyptian eyeliner and costume ;)
anyway see you soon!
Love
Erika Crystal

Posted by: Erika Crystal on June 6, 2004 01:54 AMfrom IP: 64.12.116.198


Marge,
So sorry to hear about your horse friend. It's always a shock when someone young dies suddenly. My husband was 54 when he died of a heart attack. My condolences.

We're all rooting for Smarty Jones today! He's a local horse out of Philadelphia Park, just 15 minutes away from us. We're having "Smarty parties" everywhere and if he wins, there will be a great parade for him. Believe it or not, he got a police escort to Belmont with police from Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey! He's quite the celebrity around here.

I watched an hour long special on tv about the films coming out this summer and I, ROBOT was featured with Will Smith giving an interview. Looks good, as I love sci-fi. There are quite a lot of good looking films coming out and I hope I can see them all. Haven't heard of SHALL WE DANCE. Did see HAVANA NIGHTS, tho. Did you?

Andrea's interview is posted here on the homepage. Thanks again, Cat!

Sherrlyn,
We use our gas BBQ a lot. We're on the Atkin's diet, so it gets a lot of use. We finally bought a good one, as you described, with the stainless steel burners and all the bells and whistles. I'm sure you would enjoy the gas over charcoal, unless you would miss the charcoal flavor.

Smiles to all,
Sally

Posted by: Sally C. on June 6, 2004 04:43 AMfrom IP: 12.76.96.248

Hello Everyone,
Congratulations Abeth on the upcomming arrival. I had a hard time naming my children and I have 5 of them. I have 4 boys, Kristopher, Anthony, Chance, and Ty and I have one daughter Patricia. I honestly didnt name them all. When I was still with there father I had let him decide on a few of them. I had wanted to name my daughter Makayla Renee but she is not named that. If you are getting morning sickness I have somethings simple that might help you. I never got sick in any of my pregnancies and when ever my tummy was upset I would eat a peppermint candy or drink some peppermint tea. It is a natural soother for your tummy when you are not feeling well. Let me know if it helps any and again congrats on the baby.
Paul,
As for the speedo issue I do agree. I dont think that they are appealing to wear in just any situation. For the sports that they are needed that is great but then again i have seen them were I am at where they look like a speedo in the front and they are a thong in the back. But my final oppinion on the speedo issue is that if the person has enough wants to wear it. Go for it. It is not for them to please everyone else but to please themselves first. You have to make yourself happy before anyone else around you can be happy. Speedo's or not.

Everyone Else,
I am still learning names and I just wanted to tell all of you to have a wonderful day and to think happy thoughts.

Melinda

Posted by: melinda on June 6, 2004 04:50 AMfrom IP: 64.12.116.198

Re: Speedos

The best thing about speedos is taking them off!
(Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.)

Vicki

Posted by: Vicki (in California) on June 6, 2004 05:03 AMfrom IP: 205.188.116.198

Hello Everyone:

Just came in from outside. Have been in the yard on and off all day. Cutting the grass, weeding the flower beds, fertilizing. I love working in the yard. Very peaceful and meditative.

After all of the rain we have had everything is realy taking off. Everything looks really good.

So there seems to be a lot of back and forth about speedos today. What is it about speedos that sets the tongues to wagging? Humm? Talk of bodybuilder watching with back waxes. Sorry never understood waxing. Pouring hot wax on yourself and then ripping your body hair out by the roots. And a bikini wax. Oh my god!

I wore them myself in my younger days. Had the bum and the body to back it up - all puns intended. Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. Now I go for what Paul calls the boardies. Also unfortunately, many of the men who wear speedos should be wearing boardies.

I guess I have a question out of all of the speedo talk. I know what a speedo is and I know what a suit is. What is a perl?

Vicki - taking speedos off? Now that was a belly laugh.

Melinda: Loved your comment: "if the person has enough wants to wear it. Go for it. It is not for them to please everyone else but to please themselves first. You have to make yourself happy before anyone else around you can be happy." Now that applies to life! Thanks.

Marge: Sorry about your friend. My condolences. Don't follow the horses, but if you are rooting for Smarty Jones then I'll keep my fingers crossed!

Jo: So what happened today with the tree?

Paul: How did the acting workshop go? Was is a one shot deal or is it on going? Were you working on technique, scene study, muscial theatre?

Tim: Glad you got a vacation before school, because once it starts it is relentless. Good luck to you.

Inn: You have been making me think so much about art that I decided to go to the art museum in Chicago tomorrow. I want to see the painting A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte by Georges Seurat. Steven Sondheim wrote a musical inspired by the painting called Sunday In The Park With George. I'm going to take my headphones, listen to the music, look at the painting as see what happens. Thanks for reminding me.

Sherrlyn: Like Sally I hope that you get the gas grill that you want, but until that happens I have a suggestion for you.

I was like you frustrated that I could not get the coals to light, not even etc. and the taste of the charcoal starter in the food. My sister gave me a Chimney Starter. It is a metal cylinder about a foot high and 8 inches in diameter. About 3 inches from the bottom, there is a metal screen. You take some crumpled newspaper and put it under the screen on the bottom, then put charcoal on top of the screen, light the paper with match or light and set inside the Weber. It usually starts the first time and in about 20-30 minutes you have evenly lit coals ready to go. Grab it by the handle and dump out the coals. You can get it at any home remodeling place like Home Depot or Lowes. You can also get it on the Internet at Weber website or Amazon.com. They cost from $10-15 and they are worth it.

Speaking of BBQ - Kim Sweetie - so sorry to hear that you can't grill in the UK. I have a few recipes that you can make inside that might help you out. Nothing is as good as outside grill, but these may get you through.

Well everyone take care.
Soon.
Michael

Posted by: Michael on June 6, 2004 05:56 AMfrom IP: 4.158.189.187

I have just been looking on the cover of my Strictly Ballroom DVD and I noticed a picture of Scott in Fran's arms (dancing)I can't find this scene in the actual film, does anyone know if it is and I've just missed it or was it a promotional thing for the cover?


Michael BBQ's we do have them here but not that often as our weather is so unpredictable. Food always seems to taste better when it has been cooked outside.

Kim

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 6, 2004 08:06 AMfrom IP: 81.131.79.252

Hello all PCrs
To any new folks and returning posters hope you're having a good weekend.

Michelle
How ya sleeping lately? Do I need to call up my friend Eric again? Or ya wanna just go Stringing along?

Mary
How's the computer, jellybean? Fada go Brách!

Kim
Kettle's on.
Sunday. Roast. Bisto tatties. Mushy peas. Yorkshr' Pud. Banoffee pie. Your place or mine?

Michael
Chicago. Art gallery. Shopping on Michigan Ave. Lunch on Lake Shore Dr. Or maybe hotdogs and Blues in Grant Park. Be there.
Thought For The Day:
All good things come to those who wait.
Just bidin' my time.

Paul
Class go well? How's things in the full-service dept.?

Later
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 6, 2004 08:30 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

PS: Inn
The Chicago outing--you coming, too?
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 6, 2004 09:51 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Hi, I just wanted to post because all of you seem pretty cool and interesting. I hope I'm not intruding.
Paul, you seem like an awesome person!
All of you are making me want to BBQ! But I'm scared to approach my parents gas grill. The other day my mom and I were using it and found that the little fire starter button doesn't seem to work anymore. So she turned on the gas, and the gas was on for, uuhh, a little while while she was getting the matches so we kinda had a little bit of fire when she was putting the lit match near the grill. We didn't get hurt but my mom doesn't have any more hair on the arm she extended to the grill.

Posted by: Heather on June 6, 2004 10:29 AMfrom IP: 192.195.234.26

Hey all, It's Kelly, member me???

I know, I know, I fell off the face of the earth, but it took me 3 days to read all the posts!!!! but all is coming together, now. Let me explain.

My mother broke her foot and sprained her ankle, and was hyped on MANY painkillers along with her other meds for all of her 6 diseases (5 auto-immune & schloradurma & fybromyalsia), My dad has never been the same since his massive stroke last year, so he can't take care of himself right now and Mom can;t take care of herself, so I have been caring for them both and it gets very tiring with my auto-immune (Sarcoidosos) in full speed and making me very fatigued. I cook their meals for the week and clean their "under construction" house in one day while calling them 6 times per day when I am not there to make sure they eat and take meds. (they are like 2 kids right now), Tom & the I and the kids decided we would take a vacation, just a couple days away, our first time ever. While we were gone, my dad had a spell and fell because my mom has been so doped up she didn't know what was going on. We think my dad went 2 days without eating, we don't know, but think he had another stroke during this time. (talk about a GUILT TRIP for leaving!! ) I work full time, run a travel baseball team with my husband (that my son is currently hurt and can't play) and am caring for my folks, and I am falling apart, (or I WAS). I asked my 2 brothers and 1 sister for help, and I was shot down by 2 of the 3. My sister lives down the road about 2 miles and she said she just didn't have time and got mad that I asked for help and hung up on me. My one brother that lives nearby, also go t mad and said he didnt have time. the one brother that agreed to help lives 2 1/2 hours away and he is not coming down for 3 weeks, but will help when he comes down. All I asked was that we all take turns stopping in on them to make sure all is well. And not just ME !!! I love my folks and feel it is now our turn to take care of them. But for the last several years, it seams it's just me doing this. So I have run myself ragged, (Mil, this explains my response to your email as to why I am never here anymore) Just when I thought all was lost,my sister went over to my parents and was shocked at how bad it had gotten, she has agreed to go over 1 time per week to refill the pill organizers my parents have to take each week. Yeah.. one less thing I have to think about, the medicine. But thats 1 time a week and she lives so close, I don't get it. I live 25 minutes away and I am there every day just about. My one brother that lives here is also proclaiming to be available to help, we will see, he is very busy eith a son graduating high school. I don't expect anyone to care for them the way I do, just to help me out would be nice.
Anyway,,,,,,, My mom is off alot of the hard loopy drugs and can care for herself pretty much and so I don't have to worry about dad as much, as mom knows whats going on and I don't have to worry if dads giving her the wrong meds. (yes, it happened and she could have died, but I was there to stop him from giving it to her) At any rate, aside from work that is were I am most of the time then there is baseball. I just didn't have time, still don't but didn't want anyone to worry about me anymore. Thanks for the concern.

As for my health, I still have to go to the Rhumatologist ( i know I spelled that wrong), as they found a bunch of other junk they think is wrong but I am not listening amymore as I don't get the terminology, so I will wait for the big doctors to spell it out for me, then I will think about it, and figure things out. Thanks for all the thoughts and prayers, I appreciate them.

Jo, you are very brave. Thanks for sharing your story, it's always ok to share , here, however long and painful it may be..... That's what we are all here for. I know, I have benifited greatly form all the positive energy at this site many times, and needed every bit of it. You are in my thoughts. Keep staying strong.

Mil, as always, thanks for caring and being concerned, I will get that email to you with all the info you suggested, and I will be calling you soon. I love you much much much, I am forever your "little chickie"

Evelyn, Monika, Mary, Robyn, Katalina, Marge, Michelle, Leslie (my auto-immune sister, with Jo) ,,,,,,,,,,,,, thanks for thinking of me and my family... kiss kiss kiss kiss

Abeth, I am so happy the spotting stopped, I told you you had nothing to worry about.

Evelyn, thanks for all the healing thought for Clay, they worked, he is healing, slow but sure.

Marge, what place did you come in in your horse show on 5-23?

Diane, thinking of you often,,, how are you doing????? Hope all is well. Hope you are so well you are off doing wonderful things and just don't have the time to post.

Well, after a few hours decent sleep, I was able to read all the posts,,,, alot has happened.

Just to let you all know, EVERY new person is welcome here, we all have to live with each other and love each other, well i guess we don't have to love each other, but it sure feels better than anger. We are all here because of our love and devotion to each other and to Paul, Andrea and the girls. It's ok to come here to cry, I just did, and it's ok. I just posted my longest blog, and its ok. I don't feel bad about it. If someone isnt interested in what I am saying, skip over it, my feelings arent hurt and it really doesnt matter. Move on to something that moves you or inspires you. It's that simple, we are hear to feel good and get inspired, anyway we can.

if anyone has left recently, come back!!!
I miss everyone and am anxious to catch up.

Well I am done, (finally) and I am happy to be feeling good enough to be back.

Love to all on the corner.........xoxoxoxxo
Have you all missed my kisses????

Kelly

Posted by: KELLY on June 6, 2004 10:37 AMfrom IP: 68.72.9.100

Paul,

Forgot to say hi to you!!
Congrats on being in demand right now, Better to be in demand and miss work than not to be in demand. I think it's awesome that Andrea is on stage!!! Your girls must be proud, as are you, I am sure. Looking forward to I, robot. I know, I know, the credits only... but I always stay to watch the credits and now I will actually know someone in them! How's the restaurant/pub/brewery project coming??
Love to you and your family.


kelly

Kelly

Posted by: KELLY on June 6, 2004 10:42 AMfrom IP: 68.72.9.100

Wow, Kelly! It's wonder you're not dead instead of just exhausted, with all you do. I sure hope your brothers and sister come through for you, and for your mom and dad. Hey, they're THEIR parents as well. You're a special lady. Hang in.

Vicki

Posted by: Vicki (in California) on June 6, 2004 10:47 AMfrom IP: 64.12.116.198

Paul, ...ahhhh!...revenge is sweet!
Seems pretty queer that a wog like me would be left to explain the Aussie culture, but, since I've been living here such a bloody long time, I 'spose I'm suitably qualified.

Speedos are also known as "dick stickers". No explanation reqired.

I don't have a purle pair, but I do have a black pair that I wear in the pool when I do "water running". This particular activity demands the freedom of the spandex material.
Speedos can also be worn on your head (cranium) as a special fashion statement.

I reckon Paul's just about having a go at me. I'll wait till he least expects it to extract my revenge. Tee hee.

That's really cool about Andrea scoring the dancing role. She has a very elegant poise about her. I imagine that she would bring a beautifully dignified interpretation to the part.
Congratulations Andrea.

I caught a little of a programme last night about comic book superheroes. Fans were invited to vote for their all-time top ten.
Batman came in first. I was impressed. I really like the moody, emotionally scared, dark aspect of his character. Sound like he'd be pretty cool to have around. Hmmm....I might have to swap the purle suit for a purle & black one, with pointy ears to boot.

I'll just go back to work now (I'm a fair way from home today, just checked into PC to give my own CPU a break, so it doesn't overheat).

Hi to everyone from the purle wearin' Pete downunder.

Posted by: Peter on June 6, 2004 12:37 PMfrom IP: 203.41.31.230

here here with kudos to Andrea back in her dancing slippers again. congrats!! That sure WOULD be lovely to some pics...
(i second those hints... *smile*)

having a househusbanddaddychefmasseur sounds very nice...i wouldn't mind a neck *ahem* aaaa...footrub or two or a home-cooked meal by my partner... lucky woman that Andrea!!! tee hee...

big hey to all these lovely ppl at PC
(boisterous grinn and a wave to Tim!! Good to see you back online)

Hi to Kelly, Mary, Inn, Grandma Mil, Paul, Marge, Michelle and all else...

it's late...i cannot believe I'm up this late....
can't sleep i guess..

Peter: i liked Michael Keaton's version of Batman with that haunted moodiness and his issues with his past carrying over...but as for the suit...i have to go with the anatomically enhanced rubber Batsuit that ..was it Val Kilmer or George Klooney wore? i forget..but it had interesting pectoral regions defined and otherwise...i didn't even get to the *ahem* pointy ears...lololol

latte hugs to all
big shout out to Inn babaaaay (sorry i missed you on AIM..I'll fill ya in..glad you enjoyed HP..i have yet to see it..:-) )
Katalina

Posted by: Katalina on June 6, 2004 04:45 PMfrom IP: 24.17.65.120

Hello, Paul and all the PCers,
Great to hear from you again, Paul, and thanks for posting the article about Andrea, Cat; it was such a nice write-up.
Sherrlyn, love the 3 E's comment,lol.
Kelly, I hope your siblings share your parents' care more, that is so much to deal with, especially with your own health concerns. I'm not sure I remember where you live, but sometimes you can find public health programs, etc that can check on people who need care at home. It would be good to have something like that even if it was only for the times when you just can't be there yourself. Take care.
Good to see you post, Tim.
Love the speedo nicknames; my co-workers and I still talk about perving,lol.
Heather,those started buttons don't last long, sorry to say. At least not in any gas grill I've had. Now I stick with the George Foreman grill. ;)
Abeth, don't get me started on baby names . . .
ok, too late. A couple I have always liked are Stephanie and Chantal. I love to hear all the names of the kids in a family, most of the time there are patterns, sometimes obvious,like the 3 E's, sometimes you have to look a minute. A friend insisted her daughter's names were totally different. Jill and Lisa. Both 4 letters, both L and I. She'd never noticed. But I think we have sounds we like and that's what we go by.
I watched the race yesterday, Smarty Jones gave it a heck of a shot, but Birdsong took it. The owner felt so bad, but it was quite a race.
hugs and smiles to all,
deltalady aka Sally

Posted by: deltalady on June 6, 2004 09:30 PMfrom IP: 66.231.2.86

Hi everyone! Busy correcting papers but the end is in sight. Hope everyone is having a great weekend Down Under, Across the Way, Over Here, Over There, wherever.

Hi Tim! Great to see you and to hear that things are good for you. Hope the positive energy continues to surround you and yours. Take care.

Hi and love to Millie. Can't wait to see what you and Julie will come up with for us. Hi Julie!

Marge, sorry to hear about your friend's husband. Have you got used to having the house back to just yourself yet?

Michael, enjoy the garden! Hope the bad weather is long gone.

Richard, computer's behaving itself nicely thank you!

Welcome Heather!

OMG Kelly!! How do you do it? Reading your post made me feel like I needed a rest! I hope the caring is shared out a bit more for you soon and that everyone starts to pick up. Your loving energy was missed but you've just delivered a double dose to us, so we're okay now. Love to you.

Hi Peter. No comment about the Aussie speedos. I'm blushing and I've no purle suit to disguise the fact! I have loved Batman ever since I watched the original every week when I was young. You know .. the POW! BIFF! AAARGH! version. I agree with Kat. Michael Keating smoulders in the part. Dark, mysterious and tortured. Irresistible.
Hope you get to come home soon.

Love & best wishes to Diane.

Hi back to Kat! Any decision about the massage course yet?

Hi also to Sherrlyn, Kim, Vicki, Melinda, Abeth, Sally C & Sally D, Michelle, Evelyn and to everyone dropping by today.

Love to Paul and to you all,
Mary

Posted by: Mary on June 6, 2004 10:48 PMfrom IP: 83.70.42.211

Quote For The Day:

My House said to me:
"Do not leave me, because here lives your past."

The Road said to me:
"Come and follow me, because I am your future."

To my House and to the Road I replied:
"I have no past, neither have I a future.
When I remain here, there is in my staying a going.
And, if I go, there is in my departure a remaining."

Only love and death change all things.

From: The Garden of the Prophet--Kahlil Gibran

Be well everyone.
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 6, 2004 11:27 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

After reading Kelly's post made me realise how much I miss my sister. I haven't seen her for nearly two years. We have never been close as sisters but we did talk to eachother. She married a few years ago to someone who isn't much good but she does have four beautiful girls two by him and two by another partner. Ever since she has been with him she has changed so much and not for the better, she lies constantly and even steals from her own family. Last year she wrote and said she had breast cancer, at the time all I could think of was thank god it isn't me, I know that must make me sound like such a bad person but then I started to think of her girls and then I quickly started to think it should be me. I don't have a family of my own so I had nothing to lose but the girls could lose there mum. Thankfully as far as I know her treatment is working I just wish she would make contact. It is nice to have friends I can speak to but it isn't the same as having my big sister there.
I apologise to you all if I have gone on a bit but thanks for listening to me.


Richard yes I did have my roast and it was very nice especially the yorkshire puds.

Hello to everyone I hope you are all having a great Sunday and the weather is nice for you all.

Kim

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 7, 2004 01:24 AMfrom IP: 81.131.114.83

Kim, by coincidence, I had just spoken to my own older sister who lives overseas, in Israel.

She and I were comparing notes about our dear, departed parents, and our "baby sister" who perished 30 years ago with her 3 little children and her husband in a private plane crash.

She was only 36 years old, and the children 12, 10, and 6, and to this day, we still are saddened by the memories, but life has gone on, and that's the way it is.

Of course, you worry about your sister and her illness. Sisters (or brothers) share so much.

Perhaps you could send her a note expressing your concern, opening the door to more contact. It's worth a try.

Good luck!

Peace and Love,

Grandma Mil


Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 7, 2004 02:15 AMfrom IP: 4.231.206.31

Hello everyone, it seems I must unconfused the men a bit, [what is it with you men and the comment “I usually am confused anyway”???? :-)]--in particular Paul, Michael and Richard. I so enjoyed developing the mysterious side of me and here you guys demand that I explain … Men! … Hmm, kind of like you guys, so I’ll spill:

There really only is one of me. Paul, the Evelyn of the –now how did you put it?—ahh “There is Evelyn - she of the long post and who leaves unfinished beers around and then there is Evelyn - aka Helen darling whom is new and I have probably not welcomed?! A belated welcome to you!” We are one and the same, I think anyway, although the “Evelyn-aka Helen darling” is what Michael calls me and that one happened when he mistook me to be Helen and from then on out, my name got a few additions. But the Evelyn aka Helen Darling part of me thanks you for your welcome and perhaps she will develop some sort of a personality of her own, distinct of the Evelyn of the long post etc. As to the leaving unfinished bears around, I’ll just leave you to your beliefs and will enjoy a bear instead, all of it, and I mean that! :) Paul, a little less confused? Hello to you, glad to hear from you, hugs, good wishes and all the other good stuff to you and congrats to you Andrea for performing with the Australian Ballet. Have fun! And enjoy being in the spotlight for now.

Richard, you wanted me to explain myself and my (unintentionally!) cryptic comments and references to different countries, places I call home, languages etc. When I read your story, I laughed so hard, as it is very close to mine. Okay, I am from Germany, near Karlsruhe (SW Germany), went to England pretty much every summer from age 5 on (unless you want to count a previous in uterus trip), hence I call it home and thus claim to be homesick for a visit to the UK, haven’t been there since 1998 (???), came to the US for one year and that was 13 years ago. Lived in Louisiana for the first three years, sampled a bit of a taste of living in the 19th century, nope didn’t live in the Big Easy, went there frequently to keep me culturally and otherwise sane, lived in Baton Rouge, a place name locals really don’t know how to pronounce, he he, visited NW Florida a few times from there, then came to the Twin Cities, of course I live in Minneapolis, hipper, cooler, more liberal than St. Paul, esp. the Uptown part. And on to the topic of Dutch: well, it’s reasonably close to German, hence I understand a reasonable amount of it, but never studied it, hence don’t know how to spell or write it. Okay, does that suffice? Unconfused?

Okay, what was I supposed to unconfused Michael about? Can’t remember … :) Hi to you.

Abeth, re. name suggestions, I’ve always loved Ana-Lena or Ana-Lisa (but definitely would spell Ana with one n only) good luck to you.

Kelly, glad to hear from you and boy you are tough!!! I just wish you’d get more support from your siblings to take care of yourself and your parents. Glad Clay is healing nicely and you are holding on somehow. More healing wishes to you, Clay, your parents. Hang in there and keep asking your siblings for help.

Melinda and Vicki(e), welcome!!! Looking forward to hearing more from you and getting to know you.

Mary, I’d love to talk to you about your thesis topic, perhaps over email, as I don’t think everyone might be interested in that, I think Michael was as well, so please join. I’ve thought about a holistic approach to teaching as well and am trying it out, not always easy though. Yep, lets treat ourselves to a bit of professional development, the fun way! Good luck grading the papers and enjoy your break that’s coming soon.

Speedos, Well, it could always be the g-string the kind that male dancers wear in gay clubs… Done with that topic.

Peter, looking forward to observing your taking revenge on Paul when you choose to take it. :) Hope you get to go home soon and relax! Be well!

Marge, sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. Be well and allow yourself to grieve!

Tim, good to hear from you and again, best of luck beginning school. If and when you hit the grad school blues, you too Julie, talk to me, I might be able to pass some strategies along to help you get through, that is if you want to. And as one of the people who was there when you hit rock bottom, it’s amazing how far you’ve gotten in such a short time. I’m very proud of you and wish you the very best.

Kim, go talk to your sister!!! My sister is again being screene for breast cancer, they ruled it out several months ago, but now symptoms have recurred and she has to go in for new tests on Wednesday. Give her whatever support you can give her, that she will accept. Mine only talks to me about it and refuses to talk to Mum and my other sister. Not sure why and somehow can't get her to see how much more support she'd get if only she'd let them. She thinks Mum can't handle it because my Dad died from cancer, but I know Mum can totally handle it and she'll only be hurt by not having been told. Do I betray my sister's fragile trust and tell Mum or do I respect her wishes? Well, I'm thinking about you and your sister as well and sending healing energy to her and to you and her for an improved relationship.

Okay, Evelyn of the long post signs off, wishing everyone well, lots of love and positivity to you all, Michelle, Kim, Katalina, Inn, Grandma Mil, Monika, Vicki/e, deltalady, bluedog, Marge, Mary, Kelly, Erika, Abeth, the two Sallys, Tim, Peter, Michael, Richard, Paul, Andrea and the 3 E’s and everyone else here.

Posted by: Evelyn on June 7, 2004 03:37 AMfrom IP: 134.84.252.113

Oh, just noticed, I didn't welcome you Heather. Sorry about that. Welcome to you and no, we don't mind you coming aboard. It's great that you did!

Posted by: Evelyn on June 7, 2004 03:39 AMfrom IP: 134.84.252.113

Kim,

Your initial, split-second reaction that you were glad that it wasn't you doesn't make you a bad person. It is a normal self-preservation reaction. I understand your concern for your sister's situation. But, you must never feel that what your sister is going through should be happening to you instead. We each have our own paths to travel and can never exchange one for the other. The best we can do is to try and lighten each other's burdens along the way. Remember the 5-foot-long chopsticks?
Just because you don't currently have a husband/partner or children does not mean that you don't have a "family" of your own. And, it certainly doesn't mean that you are any less valuable and deserving in your own right.
Besides, you'd be surprised just how many positive effects you have on people around you without even knowing it. Effects on family, friends, co-workers or even casual acquaintances.

As for the distance between you and your sister, it's not written anywhere that siblings must be best friends. But, you love each other none-the-less don't you?
You say that she's in a relationship with someone that isn't much good. Perhaps her change in behavior is due to his undue influence over her. Perhaps it's a call for help. Either way, maybe you could make an extra effort to reach out to her. Sometimes it's hard for people in need to reach out, be it fear, guilt, shame, etc.
Maybe you can help out with the girls while she is under treatment and in recovery. And I say recovery because breast cancer is not an immediate death sentence. Caught early and properly treated it is definitely survivable.
Maybe your sister merely needs a bit of emotional support. Maybe just a hug from a loving sister is enough. I have no way to know just what your situation is and I obviously don't know the whole story. Maybe there is something in the past keeping you and your sister at a distance. But there always has to be someone to make the first move. Sometimes we just have to swallow our pride and be the one to make it. Years from now you don't want to be looking back with a heart full of could-have-beens, should-have-beens, I-wish-I-hads.
Only you know what may be needed. Only you know how much you are able to take on.

Take care and be strong.

--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 7, 2004 04:28 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Kim,
Call your sister right now. It is only 9:30 p.m. where you are and she would love to hear from you I know.

The tree did not get cut down yesterday. Thank heavens. My niece and her son arrived for a month long visit. He is 15 and unfortunately arrived looking like Morticia from the Adams Family. Turns out it was a compromise because he really wanted a tattoo.

A big hello to everyone. I read the article about Andrea and you must be really proud of her Paul. Bravo to Andrea!!!

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 7, 2004 04:34 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.137

Evelyn,
Good to hear back from you. I was never really confused by you. You commented that I seemed to know way too much about the UK, US and the Netherlands and asked for specifics. I commented that you also seemed to have quite a world-citizen background and was curious about your story. Tit-for-Tat, so to speak.

>>of course I live in Minneapolis, hipper, cooler, more liberal than St. Paul...
--So, are you a Paisley Park, Red Corvette, Purple Rain kinda'chick (oops, sorry...Lady)?
Take Care
Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 7, 2004 04:49 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

I am sitting here in floods of tears after reading everyone's kind words. I truly wasn't expecting any, thank you to you all. I'm sending you all lots of big hugs.

Grandma Millie I was so sorry to hear about the loss of your younger sister and family. Even though it was along time ago the memories will always stay with you. Yes you are right, life does exactly that and goes on but the hurt always stays with you. Stay in touch with your sister in Israel and treasure eachother.

Evelyn I will be thinking of your sister on Wednesday, let's hope it is a false alarm and nothing too serious to worry about. Easier said then done! It is so hard to offer support when that person refuses to take it, maybe they are frightened or just stubborn. Let your sister tell your mum when she is ready maybe she doesn't want to worry her unnecessarily (not sure if I've spelt that right).

Richard me and my sister have never been the best of friends we are barely sisters these days but yes I do love her. Her behaviour isn't a call for help because of her husband she would never leave him although I think she would be a better person for doing it and I know the girls would have a brighter future with him not being part of there lives but that is her decision and I have to accept that. My sister and her husband have caused a lot of hurt and upset with me and my parents over many years, we were even banned from going to her wedding. I send my sister and the girls birthday cards they always get returned to me, once they decided to visit for christmas when they left they also left behind all the presents I had bought for them, excuse being no room in the car. It is just really small things that hurt the most.
Thank you for your kind words.

Jo I constantly try to phone my sister but when she keeps changing her number I can never get through to her. I am always trying to make the first move, I have tried phoning, writing and even sending text messages but I never get any replies. I just have to face up to the fact she doesn't want me in her or her childrens life at the moment.

Sorry this is so long but I did want to thank everyone, your kind words mean the world to me. Maybe one day my sister will realise that she does have a sister that cares for her.

Love to you all
Kim x

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 7, 2004 07:55 AMfrom IP: 81.131.145.5

Kim,
All you can do is open your arms to someone. It doesn't mean they will rush into them. I have only one brother and we have not spoken to each other since my mother's funeral in 1997. Entirely his choice. What is the saying about What Goes Around Comes Around. Just keep trying. A brother or sister is a precious thing.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 7, 2004 09:44 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.248

Kim
I understand better now. As I said before, I didn't know the whole story so was just tossing out a couple of best-guess ideas.
Family can be one of our greatest joys and one of our heaviest burdens. Sometimes it's really too bad that we can't choose our families like we do our friends. I have plenty of family heartache stories to tell, too. If you want I'll email you and we can "chat".
But, I can hardly say it any better than Jo did. All you can do is open your arms. You can't make anyone rush into them. Hopefully your sister will come to her senses before it's too late and realize what she's missing.
I don't know how old her children are now, but you know what? One day when they're older their going to remember about Auntie Kim and the Christmas presents from you that mom and dad left behind. Then they'll come seeking you out and will see just what a marvelous person they've been missing out on all along.
So, dry your tears, dear Kim. You're doing all that you can. Nobody can ask or expect more. Accept the kind words. You deserve them.
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 7, 2004 10:50 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

It is true that there is no rule written that we must like and or get on with our family members. It is one of my fears that for what ever reason my girls may not like me as we get older - I dont think it will happen, but it is a fear non the less and there is a lot of water to flow under the bridge yet - so it keeps me on my toes.

Kim it sounds like you have done all that you can do, the hand is extended, open and offered. From what you have said it would seem it is not wanted. I am sorry for that and the pain that must bring. Sometimes with friends there comes a time when you realise the friendship is no longer a healthy one and you have to cut it lose. As I said above (and Richard said also) there is no rule saying that wont be so with family. I am sure your offer will stand with your sister but cutting lose from the pain of the situation and the unfulfilment of your hopes to come together is probably something you should consider now. You never know what may happen down the road.

Kelly great to hear from you and MY GOD GIRL got enough on your plate? Bloody siblings hey! Kids are all so different in how they relate and respond to their parents. I will go out of my way to help and support my Mum no questions asked. My brother will go out of his way if it is convenient for him and if mum can fit in to his going out of his way. Some would say it is one and the same thing and maybe it is - I dont see it that way but my brother probably does. I could go about this at length but suffice to say yo being there for them is what is important - help would be great, appreciated and even needed but it is about you and your parents hopefully not you and your siblings. As far as you can look after yourself. Glad to hear you are well if not too busy.

Another name for the good old Aussie speedo is "dick togs"

And then my wife surprised me by telling me she knew them as "budgie smugglers"


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: Paul on June 7, 2004 11:45 AMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

Speedo = banana hammock

Posted by: Vicki (in California) on June 7, 2004 11:58 AMfrom IP: 64.12.116.198

Paul,

thanks for the thoughts ,,, I actually took the evening off from being mom, cook, wife, daughter and coach mom to the baseball team, and layed in bed for 3 HOURS!!!
That felt great and I needed it. I feel like I could go for another week. My siblings are just "on the side" right now,my folks are whats important. I don't like how they feel but they are entitled to thier opinions and they have to live with thier decsions. I just do what I feel is right and thats all I can do. As for taking care of myself, my husband is putting his foot down and roping me in a bit... My mom is off her "loopy" painkillers now and is coherant so she can at least tell my dad what to do. She got a wheelchair so she can get around a bit now, so I wont have to worry so much or feel I have to be there every minute, that was a great surprise when I wen tover this morning. Yeah!!

Kim, All you can do extend the invitation to your sister to talk, if she accepts, great! If she doesn't, you have offered, you can't make her accept your kindness. At least you put forth the effort. My sister has always been this way. Her husband does drugs, her husband has done drugs with thier children (now grown adults) and they all have thier problems, mostly because my sister could never be a proper mother to her kids, and their dad was not a role model either. Because my sister can't mother her own kids, I should not expect her to mother our mom & dad. It just isn't part of her.If she comes through and helps I will be amased, and as for her hanging up on me. It was not the first time she has done this and surely wont be the last. I just let it go.

Monika, thanks for the email, it was great, you are a classy lady!!


Love to all on the corner...xoxoxoxxo

Kelly

Posted by: KELLY on June 7, 2004 12:46 PMfrom IP: 68.72.9.100

Hello everyone!!

It has been a while, and I missed you all very much!! Ofcourse I tried to read all the messages, but unfortunatly I didn't have much time to post myself, haven't much time now either (have to get to work in a hour)but I really wanted to say 'hi' to everyone...

Paul,
It was so great to hear that Andrea is back on stage.
I wish I could see her appearance (is that the right word??).

Abeth,
How are you?
I always liked the name Yasmine.
Good luck with finding a name!!

Kelly,
It was so great to hear from you again.
Take care of yourself and listen to your own body! Thanks for answering my email.
And yes, I'm from Holland (the country, the Netherlands, in Europe ...) is there a Holland in Michigan too?

Kim,
You already told me ones that you don't see your sister and that you are really missing her.
I don't see my brother that often, because he doesn't live in the neigbourhood, but when I miss him, I can call him on the phone.
It must be unbearable not being able to do that with your sister!!

Tim and Peter,
It was so great to hear from you two again!!
Can't hardly wait to hear more...

Jo,
Did you ever received my email?
If you didn't, I read in it that I personally wanted to tell you that I admire you for your courage to tell on PC what is going on in you mind. I know myself that it is extremely difficult to talk and to open up but I know too that it is such a relief to talk about it...
I also wished your husband good luck on that stress test...
Have you and your husband already been riding the motorcycle?

My boyfriend and his best friend were on the motorcycles yesterday and suddenly something went very wrong...
His friend lost controll over his motorcycle. He probably underrated the power of his motor and he toppled over (?) against a tree. My boyfriend called a ambulance and the police immediately and they first were afraid that he had broken his back, but fortunatly it is (only) badly bruised...
It was a real shock to hear that he had that accident and really made me realise even more that a motorcycle is not just a toy...

I actually want to talk to everyone, but I really have to get to work now, maybe tonight??

Love to all of you!!

Monika


Posted by: Monika on June 7, 2004 01:37 PMfrom IP: 81.206.125.3

Where to begin..budgie smugglers LOL I got a real good laugh at that one, Banana hammock, love it, here in NEPA we call them weenie wrappers. Usually it's men who are too old or boys who are too young who wear them. All the guys you want to see in 'em are wearing boardies, bummer.
An outing in Chi town? I'd love it. I've always wanted to visit but I'm saving for FIF at the moment so the windy city will have to wait.
Kelly, I'm..gee I don't know, I wish I could help you. I pray for strength for you. You are brave too.
hello Grandma Mil! So hoping to see you in Feb.
Richard you have reminded me how much I like Gibran it's been probably 20 years since I've read him. I think it's time to revisit.
Hello Katalina dear it was so kewl to yahoo with you tonight! I will talk to you soon. Give Sinbad a pat for me.
Peter what I wouldn't give to see you with a weenie wrapper on your head. What joy that would bring!
Jo, my brother waves at me as we pass in traffic. I see him Christmas and Thanksgiving every year. It's not that we are angry at each other it's just we don't put much effort into our relationship. Sad really.
Well its far later than I should have stayed awake so I must depart from the corner.
Peace, Inn

Posted by: Inn on June 7, 2004 01:50 PMfrom IP: 12.172.242.139

No more Speedo stuff pulleeze!
It was just a simple, question.
I'm almost sorry I asked.


Sally C.
I saw a promotional blurb on "Shall We Dance" last week. It's slated to be released in October. I did not see Havana Nights. I saw Diego Lumas (he's not as gorgeous as our Paul with or without clothes)in an "R" rated flick and was not impressed. I intended to go see it, but it did not stay around long. It only ran for a few weeks.

Kelly
I don't show horses anymore. I run the office for our Saddle Club's Western Games shows. I created all the forms, take the money and calculate the jackpot payback money percentages. A lot of paperwork. We run 15 timed events, 8 individual events, and 7 team events. Of course if it rains we don't run, as it is too dangerous for the horses & riders. Some of the events are barrel racing, pole bending, team poles, keyhole, figure 8, and so on. If anyone wants a more detailed explanation let me know. We have two more shows, one in June and one in July. Some of you might be familiar with barrel racing, as it is usually one of the events in the rodeos.

Mary
Yes, I have my house back with a brand new master bathroom. It's so gorgeous that I hesitate to use it. Oak cabinets, oyster color sink and walls, brass fixtures, tile floor, new light. Like when I remodeled my kitchen, I just go in and turn on the light and admire it. Now all it needs is a skylight. I have some more projects, new carpet in the basement, a new deck and new slate on the entryway. Those are on hold as I am just catching my breath from the last remodel.

Posted by: Marge on June 7, 2004 02:06 PMfrom IP: 199.182.66.212

Oh, wise and noble Paul! Gently but firmly getting the PC back on track. Kudos to you, my dear!

Linda

Posted by: Linda Thomas on June 7, 2004 07:46 PMfrom IP: 67.172.80.183

Good Morning Everyone:

Even the best plans, change and turn out much better than the one you started with. Was all set to go the art museum yesterday when my Mom called and asked me to help her in the garden. Very easy to say yes to Mom and I get to work outside. We made dinner on the BBQ and ended by watching the Tony Award show on television. Yes quite a good day.

I feel a trip coming to NYC Inn, so maybe we can meet there? Richard, are you coming too?

Mary: Yes the garden is really beautiful. Are you getting the images I'm sended? I too would like to speak with you about your thesis with Evelyn. Email? Instant Messenger?

Evelyn: You explained the mix-up quite well I thought. Although I will miss addressing your mysterious other half. Always a pleasure to read your posts.


Michelle: I'm so sorry for what you are going through, but I must say that I admire your determination and strenght of will. My hat is off to you. If you could only get some help.

In some communities, there are volunteer organizations that cook meals, check on people who are ill or need assistance. Marge has spoken of her work in this area. A volunteer comes once a day to make sure that everything is alright. Maybe there is an organziation like that in your area. It would help to give you peace of mind if you want a day off with your family. Good luck to you. I'll send you my best thoughts.

Kim: Everyone here has offered counsel and suggestions. I really have nothing to add. Everyone's contribution was wise and heartfelt. However you choose to proceed, I would like to reiterate that I hope you take care of yourself. I also hope that you do not take on the burden of blaming yourself for a choice your sister continues to make. It is a choice that hurts you, but it is not your fault. I'm thinking of you and sending love your way.

To everyone else - hello and welcome to all of the new people.

Soon.
Michael

Posted by: Michael on June 7, 2004 08:34 PMfrom IP: 4.158.189.159

P.S.

I'm sorry. My post to Michelle was meant for Kelly.

Evelyn and Hellen are you amused?

Michael

Hello to you too Michelle. Was it dogs and suds yesterday?

Posted by: Michael on June 7, 2004 08:58 PMfrom IP: 4.158.189.58

Kelly,
I meant to tell you earlier to take care of yourself. It sounds like you are the "rock" in the family.

Monika,
I didn't get your e-mail, but thank you for your kind words. On this site I have found a lot of strength to get through things. Yes, we have been out on the motorcycle. We took it out yesterday and it was lots of fun. I hadn't been on it in months and months. Tell your boyfriend to be careful on his bike. I know they can be dangerous, but here a car can be just as dangerous.

Inn,
I wish that my brother did wave at me. His wife died in 1999 and he lived only about 1/2 mile away at the time. He didn't even tell me about it. His daughter contacted some of my friends in England who called me to tell me about it two weeks later. When I called him he hung up on me. Since then he has remarried, has two children and lives only about 5 miles away. I have never met his new wife.

Hello to Marge, Abeth, Grandma Mil, Vicki, Richard, Sally, Evelyn, Mary, Katalina, Deltalady, anyone I might have missed and especially Paul, Andrea, and the three E's.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 7, 2004 09:01 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.205

Hi Michael,
Can't stay on because I have guest all this month, but wanted to say hi.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 7, 2004 09:03 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.205

Marge, you keep turning that light on and off, enjoying the fruits of the remodeling...I know the feeling. Like Janice (where are you, Janice) would say, "Eye Candy"!

Inn, please send me your email address. Yours is the only one of "my chickies" that hope to come to FIF that I do not have.

I could not find the article about Andrea...where do I look?

I loved that Hugh Jackman won the Tony for "The Boy From Oz." The pickings this year were mighty thin in the musical theatre area. The most exciting awards, in my opinion, were for "A Raisin In The Sun". The commercial for
"Delovey" the story of Cole Porter and his music which opens in early July, was my highlight too!

Someone mentioned the remake of "Shall We Dance." The original was from Japan, with English
subtitles, about a rather dour and bored Japanese accountant who secretly decides to take dancing lessons to put some spice in his life.

It was highly touted, and now, the remake will star Richard Gere and Jennifer Lopez...that will take a stretch of the imagination.

I would never call Richard Gere dour, and with JLo in the mix, how could he be bored? (Her best performance, in my opinion, was in "Selena", her first big break.)

Peace and Love,

Mil

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 7, 2004 09:36 PMfrom IP: 4.234.135.14

Grandma Mil,
I saw that Japanese movie and loved it. I didn't know that they were remaking it. I hope that it turns out better than the remake of Eat, Drink, Man, Woman. I loved Eat, Drink, Man, Woman, but hated Tortilla Soup.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 7, 2004 10:27 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.245

Oh Marge you know how we here at the boad just love to drag a joke on. We can get quite a few laughs out of it.
Michael, I could be talked into a NYC outing. And even though your post was addressed wrong it was good advice about the voulenteer organization. It's "meals on wheels" in our area. They bring a nice little lunch with some fruit and stay for just a few minutes. My aunt always enjoyed her visits though she was never one of those folks who didn't have anyone to talk to.
Grandma Mil my address is on it's way.
Peace all
Inn

Posted by: Inn on June 7, 2004 10:41 PMfrom IP: 12.172.241.7

Hi all! Weather here today warm and sunny and it's a public holiday so the vibes are good everywhere!

Richard, thanks for the quote from Gibran. Similar experience to Inn. I've rooted out my copy of The Prophet and hope to spend some time reminding myself why it affected me so much when I found it first. Hope you are well.

Marge, it sounds like you're creating some beautiful surroundings for yourself. Enjoy!

Jo, I hope the visit is wonderful for you all. Continued good health to your beloved and best wishes to you.

Hi Monika! I love to see you calling in. Sorry to hear about the shock you got with your boyfriend and his friend. Hope you've all recovered. Love to you.

Evelyn & Michael, I'd love to talk. I'm including my email with this post. The time difference might make the IM awkward. Not to mention the fact that it is a mystery to me. (Richard, you know the story!) Evelyn, hope you are cultivating the mysterious aura and that you are enjoying your break. I hope it all works out for your sister. That's hard on her after only coming through the last scare. Healing thoughts to her. Michael, thanks for the images. Keep them coming! If I was able, I reckon I could draw your garden at this stage.

Hi Kelly! Hope things keep improving for you and your parents. PLEASE tell me where you get your energy from?? Love to you.

Kim, I'm so sorry about your sister. The words and thoughts you've heard here are wise and from the heart. All I can add is this quote which came to mind when I was reading through the posts.

'The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life.'

'Illusions' - Richard Bach.

I hope that you gather up lots of family as you continue on your journey, maybe even your sister. As Paul said, you never know what may happen down the road. Love to you.

Hi to Paul, Inn, Michelle, Millie, Tim, Kat and everyone!

Love to you all,
Mary

Posted by: Mary on June 7, 2004 11:02 PMfrom IP: 83.70.33.7

Hello all PCers,
Hope your weekend was good and you managed to get a little rest, relaxation and fun.
There's so much hardship, disappointment and tears in life, isn't there?
Luckily, there are also times of ease, fulfillment and joy.
Here's wishing everyone the strength to once again climb out of the valley and on up to the next mountain top.

Thought For Today:

Invictus
--William Ernest Henley

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyound this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

Be well.
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 7, 2004 11:10 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

So many comments I have to speed read to try and catch it all.
Auntie Mil...the tragedy of yesterday...man those are hard but time does go on doesn't it? My sweet mom will have been dead 7 years this year. it seems unreal sometimes around 2 oclock everyday that I don't pick up the phone and call her during her lunch.
The piece about Andrea is super. She must be elated!! And kudos to you as usual Paul for your support. Although I wouldn't expect anything less.
Grad school...Hmmmmm...it's making me nervous but I've just marked my calendar for December 2005. Then it's done. From now til then should be quite a time. An expression of an old boss of my eyes rolled back hair on fire.

Glad to see the board appears normal.

Everyone here's to a good week. When I have more time to really "read" the posts I'll respond individually...each of you are special...

peace and love

Tim

Posted by: Tim Hord on June 7, 2004 11:37 PMfrom IP: 216.78.44.22

Richard,
Invictus is very thought provoking, but all I can think about when I see it is my Junior English class. We all had to memorize this and recite it in front of the class. One girl, after standing there for a couple of minutes, announced she was going to erupt and erupt she did - all over the front row. Fortunately I was three seats back.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 8, 2004 12:24 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.197

Jo,
All I can say is, I'm LOL right now. :-D
So, for you it's more Eruptus than Invictus, is it? It's wonderful to see how the tinted glasses of experience color everything.
And, being in the 3rd seat back--see, one more thing for which to thank whatever gods may be!!!
Thanks for sharing that story.
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 8, 2004 12:40 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

My last 6 days have been crazy, for a change in the good way. Wed. got a job offer for a 1 year position right here, used that to bargain with the one permanent position that I'm still a finalist for, put the pressure on them, since they were evasive, Friday I was told that I might get an interview, but they wouldn't know until Monday. Was antsy all day waiting for the damn phone to ring and 10 minutes ago got the phone call and I did get the interview for a tenure track faculty position at Minnesota State University in Mankato (2 hours south west of here). It will be tomorrow from 8:30 am straight through until 8:30/ 9 pm and on either end attach the 2 hour drive.
It’s a full schedule: 9 am teach a class (no students, only faculty in the dep. who sort of know German at different levels) then individual meeting, then research talk at 11 am (good thing I have that ready from the last on-campus interview), lunch, meeting with the dean of the College of liberal arts (1- 2:30), formal interview with the faculty (1 – 1/2 hours), campus and city tour, dinner with faculty.

Wish me luck!!! Got to prep a class and review my research presentation and teach my other teaching job this evening and then get some sleep. If it’s meant to be I’ll get it, otherwise I have the other job here at the U of MN.. The only concern they have is the employment authorization at this point and they will look into it if they are willing to do this or not and how to do it. Keeping fingers crossed there as well!

Okay, off to preping and trying to keep my nerves calm and focused! Till whenever I have a quite moment again.

Love to all and wishing you all well!

Posted by: Evelyn on June 8, 2004 03:51 AMfrom IP: 128.101.249.99

Gran Mil and other PC'ers
To see the article about Andrea, go to Paul Mercurio On Line and click on his picture in the upper right hand corner. That will bring up the article. It took me a few minutes to remember how to get to it.

It is followed by another article about the TV mini series, Through My Eyes. It's aboutthe story about a couple's baby being taken by a dingo. I guess this is the work that Paul has been doing. It did not say what role he plays, he is just mentioned.

Paul
Is this what you've been working on?

Okay here goes another question I may regret. What are boardies? Is that something Auzzie?

Kelly
My prayers are with you about your mother. Life seems to keep testing us by putting more and more on our plate, when we think we are full.

My neighbor Lori has just been served up another portion. Her grandmother is dying of emphazima and then she just found out that her Mother has lung and liver cancer. I help them when I can, although she has a lot of family support.

You are a strong person and will get through all this. I wish I lived nearer to you so that I could come and help; dust, make dinner, do laundry, wash your car, vacuum, and lots of hugs.

Patience is...the ability to bear things in such a triumphant way that it transfigures them. It enables a man to pass the breaking point and not to break, and always to greet the unseen with a cheer. (William Barclay)

Love to all
Marge

Posted by: Marge on June 8, 2004 03:55 AMfrom IP: 205.187.131.105

Evelyn, you go girl, with our love and best wishes, and have a successful (and safe) trip!

Peace and Love,

Grandma Mil and Grandpa Ellie

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 8, 2004 03:57 AMfrom IP: 4.234.135.14

Paul thank you for kind words they do mean a lot. My sister does know that I am and will always be there for her but it would be nice to know that she was also there for me. As you said, I can't do no more than what I have already done and that is all I can do, I even tried to contact her last night but it was thrown straight back into my face again. I just don't think she realises how important families are and you only get one of them so you have to make the most of them while you can. Maybe one day she will wake up and realise just what she is throwing away. Thank you once again.

Richard, I don't think she does realise what she is missing. It is just a shame that it is the children that have to suffer and miss out. Hopefully one day the girls will know that there Auntie Kim does love them and misses them a lot.
I will be in touch as soon as I get my computer back from being repaired.

Kelly our sisters and there husbands would really get on well together. My brother in law doesn't do drugs but his second home is prison. That is why I would like my sister and the girls to get away from him. Just remember to think of yourself and take care.

Monika I haven't forgotten about you. I will be in touch very soon I promise. Love to you.

Michael thank you for your kind words, you are right it isn't my fault but she has a way of making it feel as if it is at times. Yes it does hurt.

Marge I am so glad you have asked "what are boardies", I don't know either!

Mary the response I've had has been quite overwhelming and I just wasn't expecting it. You have all been so kind, genuine and sincere.

Thank you to you all for your kindness it means a lot to me.
Love to you all
Kim x

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 8, 2004 05:02 AMfrom IP: 213.122.249.183

Evelyn,
Wishing you the very best of luck.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 8, 2004 05:07 AMfrom IP: 203.41.31.18

Evelyn,
Will be thinking about you tomorrow. The best of luck.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 8, 2004 05:52 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.232

Good luck Evelyn!!
I'll be thinking of you.

Mary

Posted by: Mary on June 8, 2004 06:18 AMfrom IP: 83.70.37.220

Marge & Mil

I got your cards today!!!!! Thank you. They are both fantastic!!!! I love you too!!! It's nice to know I have so many great friends here. Thats the nice thing about this corner. You truely are NEVER alone. Love to all,

Kelly

Posted by: KELLY on June 8, 2004 06:51 AMfrom IP: 68.72.9.100

Good luck Evelyn. We'll all be thinking of you.
Kim

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 8, 2004 07:31 AMfrom IP: 81.131.41.190

Shine, Evelyn, shine!

Vicki

Posted by: Vicki (in California) on June 8, 2004 09:43 AMfrom IP: 64.12.116.198

Chookas Evelyn!!!

Kim, maybe your sister is happy with her husband and has the life she wants. You have said a couple of times in your posts that you wish she and the children would get away from him. I do know how it feels to have my spouses family not like me - it creates some tension in the marriage and with the greater family. Perhaps you need to think on this and extend the hand to the whole family. I am sure this will bring up some thoughts for you and I hope you think well on them.

Posted by: Paul on June 8, 2004 01:33 PMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

Pual,

You are exactly right, My sister has been with her husband for 25 years. As much as we would love for him to go away, I think it would devestate my ssister more than us having to deal with him. And really, at this point, we are so used to the way things are, we don't know any other way, so we cope and deal and make the best out of it. That's all you can do to keep peace in the family. It's thier choice who they spend their life with, not ours. It's hard haveing relationships with the kids as they do things you don't approve of, but the few times I see them I make sure they know how much I love them even though I don't approve of thier lifestyles, I still love my sister. (well, I stay away from my brother in law). Just love your sister and be there if she needs you. The only relationaship you truley need to cherish is between the two of you. Just let her know you love her. If she hangs up on you like my sister did, she will get over it. They always do.

Evelyn,

Way to go! Make sure to let us know how it went.

Love to all in the corner

Kelly

Posted by: KELLY on June 8, 2004 07:11 PMfrom IP: 68.72.9.100

Kim,
When my husband and I first met his family was very much against him dating me. They had a little higher aspirations for him than me. Then when we got engaged they just hoped I would go away. Then when we got married his family refused to come to the wedding even though it was a nice little church wedding. For years I think they secretly harbored the hope we would divorce. I was as nice to them as possible in spite of it. Today they are my family too. Time heals all wounds - even the big ones.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 8, 2004 08:57 PMfrom IP: 64.243.68.169

Hello Everyone:

So much movement in everyones' lives that post here. Evelyn is driving to her interview as I write this. People continuing their educations, pushing through obstacles in their lives with great courage and grace at what seems at times to be insurmountable odds, trying to get through the day the best way they know how. Isn't it amazing how resilient human beings are?

Soon,
Michael

Posted by: Michael on June 8, 2004 09:23 PMfrom IP: 4.158.189.82

Jo what motorbikle do you guys have? I know you have told me but I cant face going back over the posts to find out. I love riding - almost 25 years now - shit that sounds like a long time, I am not that old am I???? anyway I love it and love taking my girls for a ride. They love it too. I am extremely careful although I do tend to drag cars off from the traffic lights with the girls on the back and they scream and holler and ask me to go faster - but I dont well not always. Often after I take them for a ride a lie awake at night fearing the what if's.... but I know I take the best care and do the fang thing in complete safety, still life with kids is a very ginger balance between letting go, giving out the freedom, releasing ones fears and embracing the risk and wholeness of living. I am scared for myself too but often more so for my girls. Sometimes the motorcycle is the laughing in the winds of fate, as is the movie choices and the other risks I take - living is not for the faint hearted??

Must have a song for that one Millie?

Richard have you read any of Krishnamurti? I love the Prophet and you have inspired me to revisit him. I also love Richard Bach and his writings. Krishnamurti is also a favoutite.

Kelly good to see your spelling is as good as mine.... ooops I was not supposed to mention spelling was I....now I have done it!!

Posted by: Paul on June 8, 2004 09:31 PMfrom IP: 210.49.171.131

Good Morning,

Monika-Welcome back-it was great to read your posts!!

Tim-Wow-we have something in common-bipolar. I'm on no meds with the pregnancy and doing okay. My life used to be hell on earth before the diagnosis and before good meds. How are you doing?

Jo-I actually have a piece of ginger root taped to each wrist. I just may try the ginger tea....I do drink Ginger Ale and am eating Uneeda Biscuits in the morning. Hope all is going well with you and your husband.

Paul-I do not like the name "Apple" for a girl. My goodness-what kind of merciless teasing will she get for a life time!!!

Peter-So good to hear from you.

Mary-I think of soda water as club soda. And, yes, have tried it-couldn't get enough of it in the first two pregnancies. Just drank some with Limeade-it's my special concotion. Do you call your son Martin or Marty?

Kelly-My goodness-I'm ready to come there and do something about that situation!! Do not forget to take care of yourself.

Hello and hugs to everyone here and welcome to newbies!! Sorry if I missed anyone!

I can beyond relate to family strife and problems. I have a brother that I haven't spoken with for about 2 years. Not many people know or even understand my reasons-he did things to a sister that a brother shouldn't do to a little sister when he was 14, 15 & 16 and I was 7. I don't think this requires any details.

I'd like to end this post on a happy tune though-I have yet to "erupt" with this pregnancy-I'm determined to keep everything down!!

HUGS and more HUGS to those in need of them,
Abeth

Posted by: Abeth on June 8, 2004 10:00 PMfrom IP: 128.220.113.100

Go Evelyn!
Abeth, I agree with that Apple is a bad name for any child but it really doesn't matter about the teasing a school kid is going to get teased there is just no way around it. Taking crap for my name I decided to make everyone call me by my middle name (most people still do) which is Leslye and it didn't take long for the teasers to get into "LEZ be friends" and are you a "LEZbian?" so I don't think what it matters what your name is some people will be cruel because it has to do with the people they are not the people they encounter. I'm sure whatever you name your baby it will be a beautiful person, because it's mother is.
Peace, Inn

Posted by: Inn on June 8, 2004 10:40 PMfrom IP: 65.196.121.5

Paul,

You have done it now! Beside the fact I am a terrible speller, my vision is blurred alot of the time so I make no apologies!!! ACtually if I cared enough, I would go back and re-read what I post. Wait... I do do that and still miss the errors !!! I am hopeless, i guess. As for takng the girls on your bike..... don't get you undies in a bundle when a boy comes to pick one of them up for a date on one!!! Somehow I think you'lle look at that differently????? hummmmmmmmmmmmmm
: )

Abeth, I really don't have anything too daunting in my life right now, nothing I can't handle. My sister situation is a no brainer, it's just thier life. no stress on me. My folks are feeling better and my mom is walking a bit without her crutches. I stayed home last night. THAT WAS AWESOME !!! God doesn't give more than we handle, so I am cool with everything. (can you tell I am rested?) : )

Love to all in the corner, escpecially to my speling challenged brother, Paul. (yes , I mispelled it on purpose!) hehehe


Posted by: Kelly on June 8, 2004 10:50 PMfrom IP: 161.150.2.31

Family dynamics! There's a subject that you can go on and on about. Each family's structure is unique and has its own successes and failings.

Kim - I was on your sister's side of things with my second husband; my family and friends couldn't stand him (with good reason), and it did create some tense times. Once, I was foolish enough to forbid my parents from seeing their grandchildren for a few months. (I have apologized and, of course, they have forgiven me.) Where I was lucky was that my family never abandoned me because of him, and always did their very best be supportive of me, even when they knew I was being stupid and pig-headed. The point is that, even though I closed the door to them (as your sister has done to you), they never closed theirs to me (as you are not closing yours to your sister). I can't guarantee that she will come back "into the fold", all I can do is applaud your decision (as others have here) to leave your door open to reconciliation. I always knew I had my family's love, all I had to do was accept it. I hope your sister will accept yours someday.

This has gotten long, and I'm supposed to be working (thank goodness the Internet filters installed here at the office haven't made this site unreachable!), so I wish you all a wonderful day!

Vicki

Posted by: Vicki (in California) on June 8, 2004 11:09 PMfrom IP: 209.203.66.2

Hello all,
Hope everyone is well and that all of your travels/interviews went well and that any health, wealth or family problems are under control. Also hope that everyone had some time for themselves and managed at least one smile today.

Paul,
Glad you were inspired. I haven't visited the Prophet for ages, either. The quote was from another of the books which I recently received from a friend--and it's in Dutch, no less! Gibran requires thought and patience for full appreciation. Being in a language not natively your own makes the journey even more interesting.

I've heard the name but I'm not familiar with the teachings of Krishnamurti. Checked him out a bit on the internet and will investigate further.

I met the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi one time. He was visiting my high school to talk about
Transcendental Meditation. He wanted us to "send" quite a bit of money his way before he would enlighten us further. I managed to "trans"port myself out of there in a hurry before my pockets got "lightened". (I know, weak puns).

We've got a "guru" on one of the public tv channels here which I've watched a few times. He always sits on this big "throne" of sorts attired in robes that could easily have come from the wardrobe room of a Flash Gordon movie set. Occasionally you get camera angles showing his audience who are all sitting bare-foot and cross-legged on the floor with their mouths open and looks of rapture on their faces. All listening attentively while Guru recites supposed wisdom which sound more like random words from the dictionary all strung together.

There's also an occult faith healer here named Jomanda. She claims to be able to "beam" healing energy into ordinary tap water anywhere in the world. She also "channels" some 10,000 year old warrior who struts around the stage smoking a cigar and spitting. He speaks through Jomanda, answers questions and bestows pearls of ancient wisdom.
Awhile back Jomanda went on a 6-month-long vow of silence at the end of which she was to reveal information of an earth-shattering nature. Don't know what she had to say at the end of it all.

Anyway, my point here is that there are many sources of "wisdom" and inspiration but each of them must met with a healthy dose of scepticism and self-thought. Don't accept anything blindly.

Be well. Be wise. Be careful!

--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 8, 2004 11:29 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

PS Paul,
Jomanda used to be a professional ballet dancer. I've heard of words of wisdom from on high, but from on point?
-Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 8, 2004 11:34 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Paul, I have two songs for you and that motorcycle...

"A Lot of Livin' to Do" and "Stouthearted Men"

If you noticed my negative tone where motorcycles are concerned, you are right! The same for small, private airplanes.

Unfortunately, I've had bad experiences with both. Once, while driving coming home from work, I was in our neighborhood, and after stopping at a stop sign that I knew very well, I proceeded slowly again, and to my horror, a motorcyclist had come up the hill at a tremendous rate of speed, saw me, tried to avoid a collision, and slid off the motorbike, and sat in the middle of the road. The motorbike slid to the side of the road. He was unhurt, the police investigated, and no charges were filed.

The small plane accident I alluded to in a previous post took the lives of my dear sister, her husband and their three little children, 30 years ago this past March.

To this day, whenever I hear about similar small plane mishaps, (and there are many) I am deeply saddened, for I can sympathize with the surviving and grieving families.

Take care, Paul, and God bless!

Peace and Love,

Mil

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 9, 2004 01:21 AMfrom IP: 4.231.204.234

Paul,
He actually has two Yamaha's. One is an older Virago, which I hate and a VMAX, which I love. Like I told Monika once I really wanted him to get a Route 66 when he got that Virago, but it was his choice and now the Route 66 is a classic and you can't find them anymore. They were only made for three years. It was a small cruiser, but you guys go for speed don't you! Be careful with those girls of yours and make them wear helmets.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 9, 2004 01:30 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.143

Hello all..

Evelyn..fingers crossed for you.

Richard..haven't really had the pleasure to meet you...probably posted elsewhere, but enjoy your posts. Where are you from? located?
I live in Atlanta, GA USA

As for Apple...Hello...I'm sure she'll be questioned about her family "tree" more often than most. What a slam.

Kelly..hang in there. I'm still sending out postive energy your way.

Kim..not sure if I'm familiar with the whole scenario here.But I can offer a couple of stories. My dad's grandparents didn't like him, but they liked his older brother. They put my dad in army at 16 (lied about his age). Thus he got married, had a baby and found that he couldn't make it robbed a store and served a short stint in prison. Years passed, he had married my mother and I came into the picture. He is a total ass with me. My mom died 7 years ago and he and I have had little contact. He has only seen my daughter who will turn 2 in August once when she was 6 or 7 weeks old. Beyond that he and his brother didn't get along. When his brother died, someone from his hometown called and told my dad that his brother had died after they had buried him. Sad picture huh? But my kids and I are working hard on postive relationships. I'm very open with them as they are with me. They don't get along sometimes and I just say Hey...you can do that it's ok. You don't have to like him/her right now. I don't try to force any issue with them. Of course I don't have a clue about sibling rivalry as I was an only child. (thank god considering my dad..he was abusive). Just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth. Family relationships are fragile these days. If it's worth the effort go for it...if not drop it an move on. My psych told me to just forgive my dad...forgive myself and move on. So that's what I work had to continue to do...not a one step process.

New movies I'd love to see...The day after tomorrow (I love that stuff, armageddon, independence day...), Shrek 2, the Punisher Raising Helen.

Feeling up..not a surprise considering my pharmacalogical help. My pysch said the bad news is you're on a butt-load of medication. The good news is your stable. What can I say? I hope it stays that way.

Whit has inspired me to work on my screen play again. Probably a good time before I start school.

Group hug to everyone. We all need each other or we wouldn't be here.

peace and love, and may the war end soon. Too many lives lost already.

Maybe everyone won't agree, But may President Reagan rest in peace.

The Timmer

Posted by: Timmer on June 9, 2004 01:34 AMfrom IP: 216.78.38.66

Grandma Mil,
Don't worry about motorcycles. They really are safe. If they weren't I wouldn't get on one much less let my husband on one. Some people are bad drivers even if they are in a car. A motorcycle won't make you a bad driver.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 9, 2004 01:34 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.143

Paul,
I don't want to upset Grandma Mil with this, but I LOVED your motorcycle riding in Back of Beyond. Really, really, cool!! Great movie too!!

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 9, 2004 01:42 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.143

Paul, when I read what you wrote about keeping the balance when raising kids, it really touched home. I don't think I ever learnt how to take risks when I was growing up. Releasing fears and just letting go and trusting - just never managed to do that. I can see looking back now why this was the case and have really tried to avoid the same thing with my own children. But God I missed out on so much. Even as a small child, I can remember holding back from all kinds of
experiences. I really believe that it is only in recent times that I have been able to search out the basic need to throw myself fully into the wholeness of life and go with it. It's taken me a long time to develop a side to me that as a child I would have embraced effortlessly. The way I look at it now is better late than never. Riding on the back of a motorbike is something I've always longed to do, but haven't had the opportunity to do (yet!). I love the look of motorbikes, especially the bigger ones. I'd love to cross America or Australia on the back of one. Somewhere vast. I can only imagine how liberating it would feel. When you take your girls out with you on your bike, you're giving them a good balance - the freedom and rush of motion and the safety of having their arms safely tucked around their Dad. Safe and free at the same time! What a gift to them.

Hoping Evelyn is performing beautifully as I type.

Abeth, my son was called Marty on and off when he was little, but it never stuck. He is Martin now and I can't think of him any other way. Isn't it amazing how the same name can take on such different colours with different people? I love that. Hope you & baby are well.

Kelly, hope you can stay rested! Love to you.

Tim, keep the nerves steady and go for it! Hug back to you.

Hi to Kim, Richard, Jo, Vicki, Michael, Inn, Margee, Mil, Peter, Monika, Michelle and all in the Corner today.

Love to you all,
Mary

Posted by: Mary on June 9, 2004 01:43 AMfrom IP: 83.70.41.76

Hey Timmer,
Just for clarity, Are you the Tim, Tim, Tim of the echo Tim or another Tim?
Either way, nice to "meet" you, too. And thanks. Hope we get to have many a nice "chat".
Atlanta, GA is it? Ah yes, MARTA (we know what that means, don't we?), Atlanta Underground (is it still there?), Peach Tree this, Peach Tree that (even tho there ain't no peach trees for miles 'round 'nomore.)
Saw a great exhibition of Georgia O'Keeffe paintings at the Atlanta High Museum of Art once upon a time.
Me? Short and sweet: Originally from Kansas City, MO, later lived in St. Petersburg, FL. Now, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

Okay, Timmer. Watch out for yerself on those meds. Alice just took one, tiny bite of the mushroom and look what happened to her!!!
Later Georgia Peach
--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 9, 2004 02:07 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Paul, I read Bach's book Illusions recently (thank you, Mary!) and loved it. I'm looking for that blue feather!

Hi everyone. I was thinking of this song today after reading so many posts regarding depression. Because of my own struggle this song spoke to me one day and made me feel better. It's called Lithium Sunset. Sting wrote it.

Fill my eyes
O Lithium Sunset
And take this lonesome burden
Of worry from my mind

Take this heartache
of obsidian darkness
and fold my darkness
into your yellow light

I've been scattered I've been shattered
I've been knocked out of the race
But I'll get better
I feel your light upon my my face

Heal my soul
O Lithium Sunset
And I'll ride the turning world
Into another night

See Mercury falling...


Richard, I watched an Eric Clapton DVD this weekend. It was a concert from '86, I believe in Birmingham. Awesome! I thought of you of course when he sang Layla;)

Michael, I thought you were clairvoyant when you mentioned dogs and suds. No ballgame, just gave the real dogs (golden retrievers) a bath, which is quite an event in itself! We're planning a day soon at the Art Institute so I'll think of you when I look at Sunday in the Park. I saw a news story recently that an artist is doing a mural of that particular painting on a building downtown. He's embellishing by adding Chicago landmarks. Think Seurat would mind?

Hi Mil, Mary, Peter, Tim, Inn, Kelly, Marge, Katalina, Vicki, Abeth, Kim, Monika, Vickie, Sally C., Jo and everyone who stops here.

Evelyn, I've got my thumbs pressed!

Here's what's left in my brain after reading this thread...ducks on motorcycles weilding chainsaws trying to avoid BBQ's but feeling brave enough to wear dick stickers. Did I get that right? Maybe I should ask for a neck rub.

Love from Chicago,
Michelle

Posted by: Michelle on June 9, 2004 03:33 AMfrom IP: 24.14.248.67

Hello everyone,

Today I had a great day!!
That friend who had that motorcycle accident invited us and a few other friends for a BBQ tonight to "celebrate" that he wasn't very badly injured. Ofcourse we talked about that accident a lot and I think that it is good to talk about it with each other, because ofcourse it was a very impressing experience to all of us...He is still in a wheelchair, but after a few weeks of therapy he probably will be as he was before the accident. He said that he never wants to ride a motorcycle again.
My boyfriend was so shocked to see what happend to his friend that he is thinking about selling our motorcycle... we'll see what we are going to do...we just need a little time to think about it I guess...

The weather was absolutely great today, in our area it was 32 degrees celcius, but tonight we probably are going to have thunder and rain...

Haven't read all of the posts yet, but I hope I have time tomorrow... really got to get some sleep now,

love to everyone on pc

Monika

Posted by: Monika on June 9, 2004 04:43 AMfrom IP: 81.206.125.3

Inn-Thank you for the lovely compliment!!

Mary-I agree with what you said about names. Both of our girls have Beatle song names-Julia Lauren and Kathryn Michelle. Hence-the name Anna if the baby is a girl.

Michelle-You killed me with the little thoughts in your previous post!

Kelly-So glad to see you in good spirts!

Okay-signing off for the evening-been asked to drive a coworker home!

HUGS to everyone!!
Abeth

Posted by: Abeth on June 9, 2004 04:51 AMfrom IP: 128.220.113.100

Paul, my hand has been extended to them all and more than once but they choose not to take it so I can't see what more I can do. They are even the same towards the rest of my family including my parents. Families can be a bloody nightmare, you love them but don't always like them at times but either way there all we've got. Maybe one day this sad situation will come good.
If you enjoy your bike keep riding it. If we kept thinking if this happens or if that happens we wouldn't do a thing and wouldn't that make us boring. I would love to have a bike but they always seem to make them too big for me, I always have trouble getting my leg over it and they are so heavy I'd have trouble keeping it up but if it wasn't for that I'd have great fun with one.

Jo I'm glad you have been accepted and welcomed into your husbands side of the family. Yes time is a great healer, we'll wait and see.
Oh! I sold my horse picture.

Vicki (California) My door will always be open it has never been shut, but I think I'm in for a long wait until she decides to walk through it again.

Tim it is strange that we are all from different parts of the world and yet nearly all of us have "problem" families in common.
Yes it was a very sad story about your uncle thank you for sharing it with me/us. When my grandad died my uncle (who has since died) wanted him buried in a cardboard coffin because it was cheap. The less money spent on a funeral etc the more money he had in his pocket to buy booze. As you can imagine this caused many arguments between the family. My grandad wasn't buried in cardboard he had a proper funeral with his family around him.
I have tried so hard with my sister but now I'm going to think of me for once. Maybe that might sound a little selfish but life will always go on and I want to enjoy it now and not worry so much about everything else that I just don't have any control over.

I have been so touched by everyones comments, it is nice to know that you are all there and we are there for eachother.
Love to you all
Kim

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 9, 2004 05:05 AMfrom IP: 81.131.130.37

Hello to everyone,

Kim...I myself have been in the same situation you face with your sister...except i was the sister...I was with a man that my family hated and they had good reason. I spent 9 years fighting with my family about this man. I completely changed who I was trying to be what I thought he wanted me to be. However no matter what I did I was always in the wrong.
He had his good moments too however the bad outweighed the good. I wont go into detail on just how he hurt me because they are things that I am not comfortable talking about yet. I will say this though. Dont give up on your sister. She may have changed and not knowing the situation fully I am not able to judge or say what may or may not be going on. I was lost. I had lost myself in trying to make him happy so I could have some sort of peace. It took alot for me to get out of it and it took alot of help from loved ones. Now I am a single mother of 5 children and I am also raising my friends 2 teenage daughters. She may have changed for the time just dont give up.

Monika...Sorry to hear about the motorcycle accident with your boyfriends friend. Hope all is well with him and he does not encounter any more unfortunate accidents or injuries.

For everyone I would like to extend my wishes for you to have the happiest of days and my lifes lovely brightness embrace you all and to tell you all to have sweet dreams. Wishing you and your families the best.....Melinda

Posted by: melinda on June 9, 2004 08:11 AMfrom IP: 205.188.116.198

ok i have a typo in my previous post. In the last paragraph i stated "happiest of days and MY lifes when i meant happiest of days and MAY lifes..." sorry about that. I never was the best at spelling while I am typing...lol...have a great day all!
-MELINDA

Posted by: melinda on June 9, 2004 08:16 AMfrom IP: 205.188.116.198

Paul,
My better half, the other Joe (we really are both named Jo and Joe) wanted to say hello to another motorcycle loving man.
Hi Paul,
Glad to hear that you enjoy motorcycles! I have a Yamaha Virago, which is a cruiser, and a V-Max, which is laid out like a cruiser but performs like a sport bike. I've been riding for about 27 years on an every-day basis back and forth to work. Quite a few folks ride in this area, and it's becoming more popular all the time, although the bikes that are sold now are the big Harley-style cruisers. I don't much like those because they're too big, too slow, and way too expensive. What kind of bike have you got? Love to hear about it!

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 9, 2004 08:16 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.171

Who out there is PC-land has seen Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban? As Potterite, I loved it but thought continuity was missing. Maybe I know too much having read the series a couple of times. My husbnad thought it was great and he hasn't read the books.

Anyone have an opinion?

Linda

Posted by: Linda Thomas on June 9, 2004 08:24 AMfrom IP: 67.172.80.183

Jo(inTexas)
Regarding In-laws:
When Larry and I were married, I was an "unwed" mother with an 18 month old baby. This was in 1967.

I don't think Alana and I were ever excepted, only talorated. We did not have a big elaborate wedding. We just went and got married.

The day after my husband's memorial service, I got a call from his Neice who asked me if she and his mother could come to my home and get all the airlooms they had given Larry. I was so shocked that I said "Carrie, I can't deal with this right now", and hung up on her.

I later talked to Alana and she told me that she had never felt really accepted either. I thought about that and I now think the same.

I later called her back and asked what airlooms and why did they want them back. She said that they wanted to keep them in the "family", I asked her that just because Larry was gone did that mean that Alana and I were no longer part of their family. She didn't answer.

Last year, when Alana, Jeff & Logan were here we went down so that Larry's Mother could see her great grandson. Logan is the only one she will have, as the other three grand children will never have children.

I don't have any communicateion with that side of the family anymore. After taking what airlooms back that they wanted, I feel closure. We did keep a pendulum clock that is over a hundred years old that Alana eventually wants

I do get letters and cards from Casey, who is the youngest grandson, but he does not have any contact with them either.
Larry and I were married for 32 years.

I do hope and pray that you and your sister's family will come together sometime in the future, but don't keep worrying about it. You have a family to care for too.

Take care everyone
Marge

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Posted by: Marge on June 9, 2004 09:55 AMfrom IP: 205.187.132.94

Abeth, you are welcome but it wasn't a compliment it was a truth.
Linda I too am a "Potterite" and I liked the movie very much but I did feel a little robbed by the missing elements. It seemed like they were hurrying the story but at 2:20 I guess they didn't want to make it much longer. There were little details that bothered me but I cried at the moment by the lake (you know what I mean). I want to see it again and study it more. Of course I will buy it when it hits video.
Sorry for the all Harry Potter post guys.
hello all. Hi Timmer, Grandma Mil,Jo,Kim,Monika and everyone.
Peace, Inn

Posted by: Inn on June 9, 2004 10:02 AMfrom IP: 65.206.78.123

Marge,
I am so sorry about your in-laws. It is my brother's new wife and two children that I have not met. He knows my telephone number, but his is unlisted so I can't call him. I don't think his new family even knows about me. After my mother died my brothers first wife called to ask me what I had done with all those nice quilts that my mother had because she wanted those for her two girls. I told her that mom had probably used them and worn them out because I sure didn't have them. They swoped down like a hoard of locust on mom's belongings. Both families, my husbands and mine, have sort of hoped I would go away, but I haven't. Fortunately, for me, I put very little value on material things so let them have what they want. You have Alana, Jeff and Logan so you don't need anyone else. Especially not Larry's family!

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 9, 2004 10:50 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.161

Hello everyone! I know I am long gone forgotten, but I am glad to see everyone here. Sorry I've been away for as long as I have. It's gonna take me a few days to catch up on all that I missed.
( to get refreshed with everyone again. except for a few like Paul of course, Grandma Mil, timmer,Inn,peter...and a couple of others. I can't forget you guys. I have you guys always in my prayers and your families :-)

I like the way you handled things Paul! Very lovingly. Hope all is well with you and your family at home and here in pc land.

ps. And Grandma, you can always give me advice. I always treasured it! Love and hugs to all!

Kei :-)

Posted by: Kei on June 9, 2004 11:35 AMfrom IP: 65.54.97.150

Michelle,
Nice to be thought of. While Eric was singing Layla did you have your eyes closed? Was he rubbing your feet? Did he sing your name in each chorus? Bet ya slept well!
>>...ducks on motorcycles weilding chainsaws trying to avoid BBQ's but feeling brave enough to wear dick stickers. Did I get that right? Maybe I should ask for a neck rub.
--Or another Lithium, perhaps?

Kim
Coffee is ready--you coming over? I've got a new packet of Pim's. Orange flavor ok with you?

Evelyn
How'd it all go?

Paul
What's on the full-service menu tonight?

To all PCers
Wonderful day yesterday. Sunny, hot but bit of a breeze. Went about doing this and that. Neighbor across the hall is doing some remodelling--went over and helped her out a bit.
In the evening a few of us went up on the roof terrace and had a little picnic. Nice, simple, cold food at the end of a hot day. We chatted, laughed, watched people down in the park out back playing tennis. Yelled out a few line calls just to mess with 'em abit. All in good fun, ya know?
Down below a few of the neighbors from all sides had gotten together and set up tables and chairs in the middle of the little dead-end street leading up to the side of my building. They all brought food and were having dinner together. Candles burning. Music playing. Kids running around. Nice.
Later I came back inside and watched a DVD.
Life can be good sometimes, can't it? Uncomplicated. Taking time to enjoy the simple things. Not having to dwell on the busy-busy, the hardships and heartaches. Leaving all the problems behind, just for awhile and just...well, just being. No stress. No rush. Just takin' some time.

Be well.
--Richard



Posted by: Richard on June 9, 2004 11:54 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Kei, good to hear from you once again! Hope all is well.

Do you know about the plans for the "Paul Convention" in Florida, on the weekend of Febr. 5th, 6th, and 7th?

It is also called FIF, meaning "Florida In February", or "Follies In Florida".

It is in conjunction with my big variety show "Follies 2005", which has been in rehearsals since March. Other events besides the show will be going on. Julie, who lives nearby, is going to be the tour director for the weekend, taking the group to the beach and the great shops and restaurants.

Then, there is the heated pool at the hotel, pools galore in our village, walks for leisure exercise, workout rooms for men and women, and, in February, flowers and greenery, and no snow or temps below 70 degrees anywhere!

I am also planning a showing of "Strictly Ballroom" on a 9 ft. screen if there is time!

"Follies" will be opening for my PC guests amd others from out of town on Monday morning, Febr.7th, 2005. If you wish more information, please contact me personally.

So far, I have 17 PCers that have informed me that they are thinking of coming. That number may change, (up or down) but the enthusiasm is heartwarming!

I have found a beautiful Marriott Courtyard near our village and the airport.

I just spoke to the reservation guru, and she is very happy to accommodate us...she calls us the "Strictly Ballroom" group! She is sending me an order confirmation, so all the information will be held until check-in time.

Peace and Love,

Mil

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 9, 2004 04:58 PMfrom IP: 4.231.204.218

Good Morning Everyone:

I hope that everyone is well.

Michelle: The thoughts left in your head after reading the thread certainly gave me a huge belly laugh. I suppose dogs IN suds are just as necessary as dogs AND suds sometimes. Do you know which building will have the painting? Let me know if you hear anything more. xoxo

Richard: Your evening sounds so wonderful. I love gatherings like that. And I think that it is so true that it is the simple things that can provide so much joy and respite. Watching the sun go down and how rapidly the light changes and makes everything look. And especially sharing time with other people, and you know how I feel about food. Thanks for those images and thoughts. You've set my day off to a good start.

To all people here, have a great day, find something simple and enjoy it!

Michael

Posted by: Michael on June 9, 2004 09:32 PMfrom IP: 4.158.57.227

Kei you were not forgotten, nice to see you again.
Richard glad you had a good day. My sister and I had a quiet dinner together and watched a movie here at my house. The kids were out with their father so it was nice to just have some quiet time together.
Grandma Mil, I'm so excited about FIF, but I don't want the summer to go by too fast!
Wishing you all the best of days.
Peace, Inn

Posted by: Inn on June 10, 2004 12:18 AMfrom IP: 12.172.242.139

Hello again to all!

Richard, your impromptu get together is what I enjoyed as a child with the families in our neighborhood. We even put on a play for the adults, which was about the declaration of independance. I have been looking for that type of neighborhood atmosphere, but it seems to be in short supply. Everyone seems to be afraid of everyone else. I guess that is what terrorism does to you!

Paul,
When I was growing up, my Mom absolutely refused to let me NEAR a motorcycle, let alone ride one! But that did not stop me, of course! I am glad that your girls have a responsible parent that knows the dangers and can look out for them.

Jo,
Glad to get your email when I posted! Don't worry about discussing depressing thoughts, sometimes bringing them out into the open banishes them or at least puts them into perspective.

Abeth,
Have you thought about Anna Beth or Anna Lily? Just a suggestion!

Love to everyone out there!
Beth Ellen

Posted by: Beth Ellen on June 10, 2004 12:55 AMfrom IP: 12.153.125.99

Mil,

It doesn't look like I am going to make it to FIF,
I did a 6 month budget last night and I am off by several hundred dollars. I know I told you on the phone I would try. I have just had to many medical bills and Clay's broken foot didn't help.
I have spent just under $1500.00 in medical co-pays and medications this yeaar already and that doesn't count the bill for Clays boot/cast that hasen't come yet. I SO wanted to meet everyone.
Disney is definately out of the picture. I am on track for all my monthly bills, just can't stretch the extra for FIF. SORRY SWEETIE!! I will call someone on their cell and we do a conference call on speaker phone!! I wish it were a month later so I could use tax $$$


: ( very sad in Michigan

Kelly

Posted by: Kelly on June 10, 2004 01:46 AMfrom IP: 161.150.2.31

Richard,
I loved your description of your picnic last night. When I was a child my parents did things like that. Us kids would play hide and seek outside with a flashlight (called Flashlight Command instead of Hide and Seek) and our parents would cook. I lived next door to my 3rd grade teacher at the time and every night in the summer her husband would go out to the garage, drink beer and drill holes in the garage. The garage looked like swiss cheese. We ate hot dogs and laughed at the garage. I know my parents would not have seen it as carefree days, but I sure remember them that way.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 10, 2004 02:35 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.147

Beth Ellen-I do like both Anna Beth and Anna Lily. I came up with another-Anna Noelle. I'll be "presenting" these to my husband tonight.

Jo and Richard-I do remember care free summer days as a child. I lived in a neighborhood that was neighborly for the most part. But, one is hard pressed to find that nowadays. I've tried to be that way, you know, neighborly, but most of mine just want to keep to themselves. The only "real" neighbor is Ms. Eleanor who is 83. She treats me and my husband like her own-she doesn't have any children. And, beyond spoils my daughters. My oldest is at her house today sick. Just reading some of the posts about neighbors makes me feel a little sad because I realize that as my children get older-how much I miss them old childhood days!!

Hugs to all!
Abeth

Posted by: Abeth on June 10, 2004 03:22 AMfrom IP: 128.220.113.100

Beth Ellen-I do like both Anna Beth and Anna Lily. I came up with another-Anna Noelle. I'll be "presenting" these to my husband tonight.

Jo and Richard-I do remember care free summer days as a child. I lived in a neighborhood that was neighborly for the most part. But, one is hard pressed to find that nowadays. I've tried to be that way, you know, neighborly, but most of mine just want to keep to themselves. The only "real" neighbor is Ms. Eleanor who is 83. She treats me and my husband like her own-she doesn't have any children. And, beyond spoils my daughters. My oldest is at her house today sick. Just reading some of the posts about neighbors makes me feel a little sad because I realize that as my children get older-how much I miss them old childhood days!!

Hugs to all!
Abeth

Posted by: Abeth on June 10, 2004 03:22 AMfrom IP: 128.220.113.100

Summer nights in the Ozarks often meant neighborhood cookouts followed by all the kids playing "War" or "Capture the Flag". Then, a magic call."The ice cream is done!" and we'd all run to the source of a much needed cool off-homemade ice cream! Finally, after two or three "Mom, can I please stay out a little longer?" We'd have to leave it to the big kids who got to play outside longer while we little kids had to take baths, put on cotton pajamas, and tuck in.

We have much better bug repellent now, and my daughter and friends play outside. I don't have to crank ice cream anymore. We visit with neighbors and watch cars go by.

It has been an interesting read here lately. People have been quite transparent with their lives, hope, dreams and disappointments.

Millie, glad that rehearsals are going well.

Tim, glad you are good.

Speedos are only worn around here by swim teams. But one can always see a preponderance of bad
swim fashions at the pool.

Mary Ellen

Posted by: on June 10, 2004 03:36 AMfrom IP: 66.233.91.133

Kei, gone....perhaps. Forgotten?...NEVER!
It's really nice to hear from you.

Abeth, How are you growing? Hoping you're managing to keep everything down!

Marge & Jo, bloody families, huh.
I simply cannot understand some peoples' need to aquire personal belongings or wealth from those dear departed. For some it seems a dire necessity. What is it that makes people so hell-bent on exercising their perceived inheritance "rights"?
Is it some thing that we as a culture have instilled in the minds of some, or is it just greed?
Yes, I can understand some folk wanting a keepsake, but not to the extent that dignity, compassion and respect are compromised to the extent that loved ones are hurt by the coldness of those demands.

When I found my estranged family (my BM is very wealthy, by most standards), I made it clear from the onset that I was not interested in any form of financial gain or future inheritance for ANY reason. I WILL NOT accept any, not that it would ever be forthcoming! I can make it on my own, and will, as I choose to.
Most importantly, though, in my mind if there is no love to give, then there is nothing of value left worth having.
Sorry if I've exposed a still-slighty raw nerve.

Hi to all my friends at PC.
Cuppa tea finished. Time to start work now.

Oh, btw, I've been on a low carb diet for the last month and have lost 5kgs (about 11 lbs). Feeling good, looking forward with much hope and expectation.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 10, 2004 05:28 AMfrom IP: 203.41.31.127

Dear Kelly,

I am truly sorry that you will be unable to attend the FIF. :(

We will take lots of digital camera pictures, so you will be able to see everyone who attends!

One of the great pleasures of the convention will be meeting everyone in person for the first time, but good pictures will help, I am sure, for those that cannot attend.

Peace and Love,

Mil

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 10, 2004 05:49 AMfrom IP: 4.234.6.254

Hi everyone, just made a pot of tea and am enjoying a lovely cupa tea. Anyone want to join me?

THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH for all of your fantastic, supportive wishes for the interview yesterday. Even though I didn’t read it until sometime today, I sensed that global support from all of you and many of my other friends. Man that was a LOOOOONG day, 12 1/2 hours of interviewing without a single break!!! And that after 2 1/2 hours of sleep the night before—May I introduce another side of myself? Meet the “zombiesque Evelyn” :) I feel really good about the interview and I got a positive impression from the department and its people, although I also know that that won’t necessarily get me the job. They have to decide now, if I’m a “good fit” (as they call it) for their department and its needs. Back to waiting. As my Mum told me today: “You are an expert at waiting by now, what’s the problem?” “None, dearest Mum!!! Did my part. Waiting.” The drive home was rough, as I was leaving a massive thunderstorms broke loose, torrential rains, skidded a few times because there was so much rain on the road and was bone tired. I’m so thankful I got home in one piece, since I heard this morning that this storm caused mud slides, flooding and dumped 9 inches of rain. Thought about getting a motel and spending the night there, but couldn’t find one in the small rural towns and when I hit the SW suburbs of the Twin Cities, I decided I can drive the last 20 minutes as well. And then I crashed and slept for 10 hours and I’m still exhausted. Thank you again for all of your support!!! You guys rock!

Reading over all the family problems that many of you are facing, I am stunned how nasty some people can be and it frustrates me to read how much suffering it causes. A hug and kiss to each and everyone one of you!! It also makes me aware how fully blessed I really am. I’m very close to my immediate family, granted we had our phases of alienation and fighting, but when it matters, we always support each other and in the past years have gotten really close. Goes to show you that physical distance doesn’t matter when it comes to love and emotional closeness to people.

Grandma, I’d be happy to create a FFIF 2005 website so that everyone can “visit” afterwards who can’t make it in person.

Michelle, I had wanted to tell you how much your post touched me. At some point this weekend, I came to the CWG part where it talks about the fear attracting like energy part that you mentioned. What you said and the book was really empowering for me the last few days, as I looked into my future with quite a bit of fear and trepidation. Tuesday morning I let the fear go, although I’m sure it’ll sneak up on me soon. Also touched that you think about me when you see and smell the rose in your garden with which I share a name. I love roses and we have a lot of them at home. I particularly love the ones that are very dark red and towards the edges are almost black. They smell wonderful and look fantastic. How are you doing?

Peter, good going on the weight loss and I understand why your experience with your BM is a raw nerve for you. Don’t let her get the better of you and keep doing what you do so well: focus on yourself and the things that matter to you, like your family and creating your life according to your own terms, standards and your honesty, bravery and courage. I will always admire you for your true spirit and genuinity (is that an actual word???)

Richard, I laughed at the images you came up with for the part of town I live in, corvette etc. Yep, you find that here, but not me!!! Haven’t been Americanized that thoroughly, still very world-citizenly and happily me! And I loved your description of your evening yesterday, wish I’d been there. Loved the poem you posted as well. Have to think about it some more when I’m more recovered.

Paul, I’m so happy for you that you and the 3 Es have such a wonderful relationship. Reading your pride in your daughters and the strong bond that you share is uplifting and I know you are enjoying it, even though you feel some of the fear around the what ifs. I know that for long stretches of my teenage years I did not have the greatest relationship with my Dad and I know that I didn’t always make it easy for him either. I wish he’d been more transparent to and less authoritarian with me, but we managed to establish a really good relationship in my 20s. I think there is a point in there somewhere that I’m trying to make but I’m not sure if I’m capable of communicating it.

I think I’ve spent my mental energy for the day and will turn into more of a zombie. Hmm floating in this mental and physical fog is kind of nice. Couch/bed are calling, must oblige them :)
Love to all of you!

Posted by: Evelyn on June 10, 2004 07:35 AMfrom IP: 128.101.248.251

Melinda, hello I don't think we have chatted before. Never change who you are as a person, you're you and be very proud of it. People take me the way they find me if they don't like who I am then to me that person isn't worth knowing. If you do ever want to talk about anything my email address is always here. I will never give up on my sister but the balls in her court now and it is up to her what she decides to do with it.

Grandma Millie I'm now wishing I could make it to FIF. To watch Strictly Ballroom on a 9ft screen, WOW! You lucky things. Please take photos, it would be nice to put a face to all of the names.
I hope rehearsals are going well for you. I will send you a photo tomorrow of my portrait, I will be interested to know what you think.

Richard that coffee sounds great, don't forget the sugar. I hope you are OK.

Hello to everyone else here. Have a great day.
Love,
Kim

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 10, 2004 07:35 AMfrom IP: 81.131.4.157

Hello All,

Just wanted to jump in and let everyone know I had/have a dysfunctional family, too, so you are not alone! At this time in my life, I have found that I have spent so much time and effort trying to fix everyone's problems, that I never gave myself time for ME. I have finally found the courage to say "no" and do you know what? No one wants to bother with me anymore because they don't have time, don't have any money, I live so far away, yada, yada, yada. That's o.k., though because I finally learned you can't save the world by yourself. So now I am making myself into the person I should have been a long time ago, not somebody's sister, widow, in-law, out-law, whatever. I'm making myself into the Sally I like, so they can like me the way I am now, or choose not to - their loss....

So, thanks to all who shared and thanks for letting me share, too. I'm sure Dr. Phil would have a ball with the lot of us, don't you think???

Here's a parting thought on how I feel about everyone here:

"To know someone here or there with whom you can feel there is understanding in spite of distance or thoughts expressed, can make of this earth a garden." -Goethe-

Smiles to all,
Sally C.

Posted by: Sally C. on June 10, 2004 07:59 AMfrom IP: 12.76.95.185

Evelyn, I'm glad the interview went well. But why the hell do they need 12.5 hours to interview one individual?
I hope that you can take some rest now. You have earnt it several times over.
I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed for you.
I think you play a remarkable part in a difficult and under-recognised field of vocation.

Thanks for the kind words, too.
No, I do not allow it to get the better of me, but I am often conscious of what it all means, and what I can learn from it.
Last weekend was my cousin's wedding. I declined the invitation because I would not risk any inappropriate behaviour on her part, which could put the success of the day at risk. I could not have that on my conscience.
To be honest, I never want to lay eyes on her again. And that's that.


Sally, is there any such thing as a "normal" family? I wonder!

Cheers to all,
Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 10, 2004 08:55 AMfrom IP: 203.41.31.210

Michelle, I liked "Lithium Sunset". Thanks.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 10, 2004 08:57 AMfrom IP: 203.41.31.210

Good evening everyone! Done with a busy day at the office and kickin' back at home.

Peter - I feel the same way you do about swooping down on recently deceased relatives' belongings. How crass! I have a sister-in-law (and there are a lot of NICE things to say about her) whose attitude about these sorts of things just makes me scratch my head and say, "huh?" I won't go into all the boring details here, but suffice to say that she thinks what her mom and dad have is hers, and what my mom and dad have his hers, and that's as it should be! Sheesh!

Also, congrats on the 11 lbs. I, too, am on a low carb diet - for almost two months - and am down 27 lbs. I still have many to go, but it's encouraging that I alread feel so much better, I'm in a size smaller clothing, and I move much better - and faster, too. I don't know how much you have to lose, but best wishes from me that you reach your goal.

Evelyn - good job! And glad you got home safe. I'm afraid our biggest road hazard out here is stupid drivers. Second, comes rain. Not that we get that much. In fact, that's the problem: people don't know what that stuff is falling out of the sky, so they go super fast and try to outrun it!

Well, folks, chores await. Best to everyone here for a wonderful night/day.

Vicki

Posted by: Vicki (in California) on June 10, 2004 08:59 AMfrom IP: 149.174.164.70

Hello All,

Peter-I'm "growing" well-thank you. And, I have kept everything down-I'm on a mission!!

Jo-My husband and I can somewhat relate to you and Alana(I love that name!) regarding the family stuff. But, we've moved on and have developed our own family style and values. Thanks for sharing something that was probably painful.

Today-my 5 year old-Julia, is graduating at her daycare school-tears, tears, tears-it's only the beginning!! I'm leaving work early for an appointment and then her graduation. Where did 5 years go-I'll be asking the same thing when she's 18. Last night-she super impressed me. I've been feeling queasey and tired. As I was laying on the sofa, she read me a bedtime story, kissed me, and said that the baby will be fine-I'm filling up right now. She's a loving child. I told her how proud I am of her. She was my 3 pound preemie and I wanted her to grow-now I want her to stop!!

Hugs and hellos to all,
Abeth

Posted by: Abeth on June 10, 2004 09:57 PMfrom IP: 128.220.113.100

I can't keep good news to myself! I just got a very good phone call ... they offered me the job!!! How am I going to celebrate that? Also got to think about this ... :)

Feeling very hyper and excited and am completely and utterly in tears, smiling though. Now I'm hoping that immigration isn't messing this up somehow ...

Love to all of you!

Posted by: Evelyn on June 11, 2004 05:03 AMfrom IP: 128.101.248.185

Evelyn,
Congratulations!!!! We won't let immigration mess this up for you. I'll adopt you!

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 11, 2004 05:06 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.173

Evelyn , Well done you clever thing you must be feeling very proud of yourself and so you should be. Do you know when you will start? Crack open a bottle and celebrate you deserve it.
Love, Kim

Posted by: Kim (UK) on June 11, 2004 05:47 AMfrom IP: 81.131.170.48

Dear Dr. Evelyn, brilliant news. I'm glad to see your smile. Life is good. Enjoy the fruits of all your hard work.

Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 11, 2004 05:51 AMfrom IP: 203.41.31.43


Good for you Evelyn! Wishing you luck and love.

Sally C.

Posted by: Sally C. on June 11, 2004 06:00 AMfrom IP: 12.75.217.56

Wonderful, Evelyn! Congratulations!

Vicki

Posted by: Vicki (in California) on June 11, 2004 06:13 AMfrom IP: 209.203.66.2

Evelyn, your Grannie Mil's heart is filled with pride, joy, and love on hearing of your accomplishment. I knew you could do it..I just knew, I just knew..(Don't ask me HOW I knew, I just knew!)

The bonus is that you are now really planning to come to the FIF!

My heart leaps up.."You'll be swell, you'll be
great, gonna have the whole world on your plate"..and so on...

Peace and Love,

Grandma Mil

Posted by: GRANDMA MIL on June 11, 2004 06:32 AMfrom IP: 4.234.132.192

Evelyn, I am so happy for you!! Congratulations!!
I always felt the right one would come along and I'm so glad that it has. Enjoy the celebrations. You deserve them.

Peter, I'm glad you're feeling good. Sorry again that you had to miss the wedding. Sending love DU to you.

Hi Michelle! Hope you are well.

Abeth, keep growing!

Hello to Michael. Hope all is well with you.

Good wishes to Paul & to all the lovely people here.

Love to you all,
Mary


Posted by: Mary on June 11, 2004 08:28 AMfrom IP: 83.70.36.166

Hi Mary.

Yes, I'm feeling pretty good.
I've managed to clear a huge backlog of work and it's far more managable now. I've even had time to fit a good long, solid walk in every day.
All is looking good on the horizon, just a little more work to do until we start to realise the rewards of our long, sustained efforts.
I guess that's the key: DO NOT RELENT!

I sincerely hope that all is well for you.
On the subject of songs that tend to fill one's senses, I've thought of a couple more, (and yes IT IS an individual thing - for me it's the vocal quality and the musicality):
Good vibrations - The Beach Boys,
Dreams - The Cranberries.
Stayin' Alive - Bee Gees (my theme song).

Watch out for rabbits with an Aussie accent!
(You can tell I'm in a bouyant mood, cant you!)

Love to you,
Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 11, 2004 09:57 AMfrom IP: 203.41.31.223

Hey Peter,

We're listening to Colin Hay's CD, Man at Work. I love the acoustic version of Overkill and Beautiful World.

It made me think of you.

Love to you,
Michelle

Posted by: Michelle on June 11, 2004 10:25 AMfrom IP: 24.14.248.67

Michelle, great to hear from you. I haven't heard the accoustic versions, but I was a huge fan of Men at Work back in the '80's.
Colin Hay is an interesting man.

Love to you too.
Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 11, 2004 10:44 AMfrom IP: 203.41.31.223

Yeegads, I fell into a big hole called Work for a few weeks and on return all hell broke loose. This thread has moved on, I know, but all this exciting ACTION I missed must be relived!

Evidently there was some type of oldbie-vs-newbie Deathmatch going on? Apparently, there was some hijacking, and some space-time continuum thing happening that warped the thread into the Jerry Springer show. Somebody got pregnant. Grandma Mil went to a bat mitzvah and got ambushed. There was a blue dog in there somewhere (but I don’t think the blue dog has anything to do with Millie’s ambush). Somebody brought a soapbox. There were religion and politics. There were farts in a tornado. Recipes were flying around like Keanu Reeves in Matrix Reloaded. Tim admitted to not wearing a watch for 7 years. Paul’s head got stuffed in the sand and he couldn’t find the light switch so couldn’t change the thread in time before things degenerated into the Deathmatch. Did that pretty much sum things up? (see what $79.95 for a speed reading home study video tape get you? Yes, you TOO can read as well and as fast, and the comprehension is unbelievable! Read "War and Peace" during your lunch break! BUY NOW!)

Not that I’m complaining here my friends, but I had to scroll that mouse like I’ve never scrolled before!! ;)

Speaking of recipes ... Paul, I was reading through the newspaper few days ago, and in the Food section, GUESS WHAT? “Beer Base Brisket Marinade”. YESS!! BEER! BRISKET! MARINADE! Oh that triumvirate of ambrosia!

Now, you may wonder how it will come about that your hands are to wrap themselves around this jewel of a recipe. Muahahahahaha … Muaaaahahahahahah … Dream on my friend. Dream on ... evil laughter fading echoing into the distant shadows …

OW!! OW!! OW!! Let go my arm! Ok! Ok!

1 cup Worcestershire sauce
to 3 cans of beer
1 to 2 teaspoons of vegetable oil
3 tablespoons of lemon juice
1 scant teaspoon of liquid smoke
1/2 to 1 cup of soy sauce
1 teaspoon or more to taste of garlic powder
1 teaspoon of Louisiana Hot Sauce
1 tablespoon of A1 Steak Sauce
1 tablespoon apple cider vinegar

Mix all together and use as baste or marinade.

Posted by: Hanh on June 11, 2004 12:34 PMfrom IP: 66.82.50.1

Marge, I had my first English riding lesson today. My knees are killing me. Standing up ear/hip/heel in aligment gripping on a horse with knees and not falling face down into his mane or backwards on tailbone – it ain’t as easy! and my horse wasn’t even moving.

Posted by: Hanh on June 11, 2004 12:42 PMfrom IP: 66.82.50.1

Grandma Mil, you inspire. You will always be the queen. :)

Posted by: Hanh on June 11, 2004 12:45 PMfrom IP: 66.82.50.1

Evelyn: big hug.

Posted by: Hanh on June 11, 2004 12:48 PMfrom IP: 66.82.50.1

Congrats Evelyn...Glad to hear that you got the job...Go get 'em...

Abeth...I also have a daughter Patricia who does amazing and beautiful things like that as well...she has not been in preschool mainly because i could not afford it but she is like a little sponge...one day she wrote her name on a piece of paper with i love you on it and I asked her who taught her to write her name and she looked at me and said "you did mommy". I was so impressed I had only shown her how to do it once...She starts kindergarten next year and I am not ready for it although she cant seem to get there fast enough...Happy thoughts to you and your family...

I would like to say Hello to Paul, Grandma Mil, Peter, Richard, Sally C., Hanh, Michelle, Mary, Vicky, Kim, Jo, Beth Ellen, Monika, Tim, Marge, Linda and Inn. If I forgot you I am sorry and hello to you...All of you have a wonderful day!

Melinda

Posted by: melinda on June 11, 2004 01:35 PMfrom IP: 64.12.116.198

Melinda, Your daughter sounds like a very bright and loving child. You are most fortunate.

Hanh, I wondered where you were hiding. Welcome back. I enjoy your brand of humour.
I agree with you regarding the length and number of posts recently. I've been bloody flat out and as such, found it near impossible to keep pace.
But that's OK. We all need to ramble on occassionally. I'm getting mine in before the opportunity again dwindles as the workload increases.

And I also agree with you regarding Gran Millie being the Queen. She will always be the Queen in my eyes, and has my fond respect. She is a sweetie. Her intentions are forever noble and true. We need more like that.

While I'm on the subject of queens, what is it with US TV shows and the proliferation of male "queens"? From watching prime time TV one would think that every 2nd male in the US was gay (not that there's anything wrong with that - apologies to Seinfeld).
First we had "Queer" eye. I was personally quite amused at first, and I think the "fab 5" are a great bunch of guys, but the camp jokes wear thin after a while, in my opinion.
I also saw bits of "Angels in America" just this week. I say bits because I became a little bored with the lack of continuity. It didn't really go anywhere that inspired me. Five totally neurotic gay guys and all of their equally neurotic friends made for quite a fruity punch. Mind you, I thought that some of the acting was absolutely excellent, with the possible exception of Meryl Streep playing an indifferent, arrogant and obnoxious aging Rabi. How bizzare.
My life's ambition is to see Meryl Streep playing an aging Rabi, who's actaully playing a Bambi, who's actually playing Richard the Lionheart, who's actually playing Mr Data from Star Trek TNG, who's actually playing Meryl Streep. Brilliant!
The eye brows on Emma Thompson were by far the most dramatic aspect of the whole production. How DOES she do that?

Apologies if I've offended anyone. None intended.

Cheers to all,
Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 11, 2004 02:25 PMfrom IP: 203.41.31.160

Hanh, would you believe that I was going to contact you today (it's been too long since we heard from you) and lo and behold, your post greeted us this early morn.

I cannot stop laughing at how you put everything on that "rather" long thread into a prospective that you only you could do with your inimitable and hilarious style.

You definitely will win the first prize as the one who entertained us so grandly with her wit and humor at the Marriott Courtyard should you be able to come for the FIF convention in February!

I feel so humbled by you and Peter using the term "queen"..actually, it was first used at my birth, 71 years ago, when my dear parents took one look at their scrawny 4 1/2 lb. preemie newborn, and gave me my Hebrew name, "Malka", which means "Queen."

Today, Evelyn calls me Queen Mum, I am lipsynching Queen Latifah's great song from "Chicago" ("ask all the chickies in my pen".)

Around our village I am known as "The Lipsynch Queen."

Aren't you sorry you asked?

Peace and Love,

Queenie Mil


Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 11, 2004 05:32 PMfrom IP: 4.231.204.51

Uh, er, Hanh, it should be "perspective"...I used to be a proofreader when I was 20 years old,
and then, suddenly, I became a great-grandma
with bifocals and a good dictionary!

Peace and Love,

Queenie

Posted by: Grandma Mil on June 11, 2004 08:05 PMfrom IP: 4.231.204.51

Hello to all!! I just received this email from a friend and thought to share it with all of you!
It is titled "Senility Prayer"

grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway,
the good fortune to run into the ones that I do, and the eyesight to
tell the difference.

Now that I'm 'older', here's what I've discovered:

ONE- I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

TWO- My wild oats have turned into prunes and All Bran.

THREE- I finally got my head together; now my body is falling apart.

FOUR- Funny, I don't remember being absent minded...

FIVE- The reports are all in. Life is not fair.

SIX- If all is not lost, where is it?

SEVEN- It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser.

EIGHT- Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant.

NINE- I wish the buck stopped here; I sure could use a few...

TWELVE- It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.

THIRTEEN- If God wanted me to touch my toes, he would have put them
on my knees.

FOURTEEN- When I'm finally holding all the cards, why does everyone
decide to play chess?

FIFTEEN- It's not hard to meet expenses... they're everywhere.

SIXTEEN- The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.

SEVENTEEN- These days, I spend a lot of time thinking about the
hereafter... I go somewhere to get something and then wonder what I'm
hereafter.

EIGHTEEN- Did I mail this to you before? Sometime? When? But then,
you probably don't remember receiving it before, so who cares?

-- Author unknown

Hope everyone finds it as amusing as I did!!

Grandma Mil, thanks for the info on the Follies. I sure want to come!! I will try to call tonite if that is ok with you. Chicago is one of my favs! I grew up watching musicals and have as many dvds of musicals that I can find.

Abeth, one more name and I will quit. My family hosted a French student in the 70's and we still keep in touch. Her daughter's name is Noeme (pronounced "NO ee me"). I thought that Anna Noeme would be unique.

Peter, I agree with you. I used to love the Fab 5 but they are seeming to get too commercialized for me, so I only watch it every so often.

Evelyn, Congrats on the job!!! I too have gone through those eternal interviews. The last one I was flown across country on a red-eye, interviewed all day, and flew back across the states after the interview - all with a severe migraine. I would have gotten the job if I was willing to relocate to Atlanta, which I wasn't willing to do at the time.

Got to go, work calls!!!

Love and sunshine to all!!

Beth Ellen


Posted by: Beth Ellen on June 11, 2004 10:24 PMfrom IP: 12.153.125.99

Evelyn
Congratulations!!! Maybe now you'll get that Little Red Corvette? After 13 years they haven't granted you permanent resident status yet? Your new employer should be able to help. You're in a field that's always short of "workers" so shouldn't be a problem. Best of luck.

Kim
Where have you been? As always, the kettle is on. I've got some Hob Knobs today. Hope you're not getting too bogged down in something that prevents you from dropping by!

Michael
,,La vida es un tango y el que no baila es un marrango!"

Peter
Passive/Aggressive much?

To All PCers,
Greetings. Hope everybody is okay. I've been busy so haven't posted much.
Glad my little picnic on the roof touched a chord with some of you. Rather surprised at the number of responses to it!
Yeah, those carefree days of childhood. Too bad so many of our happy memories remain in that domain. Then the concerns, responsibilities and hard-knocks of adulthood get in the way. Takes a bit of work to make some grown-up happy memories, doesn't it?

How about a little more Gibran today 'cause that's what I'm reading now and, well...I just like it.


from The Garden of the Prophet--Kahlil Gibran

On my way to the Holy City I met another pilgrim and asked him,
"Is this really the way to the Holy City?"

To which he replied,
"Follow me and you shall reach the Holy City within a day and a night."

We travelled many days and nights without ever reaching the Holy City.

To my surprise, he became angry at me because he had led me in the wrong direction.

Be well,
Richard


Posted by: Richard on June 11, 2004 10:44 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Beth Ellen

Nice "discoveries" :-)

Here's another one for you.
"Why is it that everytime my ship comes in I seem to be at the airport?"

--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 11, 2004 10:50 PMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Hi all!

Guess what? My sister has been to my moms twice this week!! She apologizes profusely when she is there and feels bad she has not taken an active role in thier lives and care. Now, her care is nothing like what I provide, but my folks are so much apreciative of her caring enough to check on them! She never mentions our phone call to them and she doesn't have to, it is just nice that she is taking up some slack. It is so nice being home more!! WOW, if only my brother would step up. (he did send his kids over one day, I'll take what I can get) To bad it took the baby of the family to gets their asses in gear. hehe :)

Helen,

I got your card, you dear person!! I will be in touch, soon.

Beth Allen, I feel like the hydrant most of the time, but today I feel like a queen!! well, maybe a princess, but it's Friday and I couldn't be happier.

Tom took the kids to see Harry Potter last night so I had the house to myself for 3 hours. (i'm now spoiled), I am well rested going into the weekend, (big babseball tourney this weekend so I wil lneed it) Clay has a doctor appt next Thursday and hopefully he will get the clear to start playing again. ONe can only hope. I sooooooooooooooooo miss seeing him play.

Love to all on the corner,

gotta get back to work.

Kel xoxoxoxoxxoxo

Posted by: Kelly on June 11, 2004 11:30 PMfrom IP: 161.150.2.31

Hi Paul
I love you corner.
I'm with a new look in my blog
I would like your precious visit

Hugs from Brazil
Juliana

Posted by: juliana on June 11, 2004 11:57 PMfrom IP: 200.199.181.153

Hello Everyone:

Peter: As a queen in the US, I was interested by your take on US television and the appearance of 1 in 2 men in the US being a queen. I would like to offer you my thoughts and another perspective. I offer this to you in the same spirit in which you offered yours.

In the last few years, gay characters have increasingly appeared in sitcoms, dramas, television movies, reality shows, and even mainstream Hollywood movies. For some people, me included, this is a good thing. For some people, this is a bad and indecent thing and they avidly work to stop this from happening in the name of decency.

It is estimated in this country that anywhere from 6% to 10% of the US population is gay. This depends on where you stand on approval or disapproval of gay people. Those who disapprove, estimate at the lower end. Those who approve, estimate at the high end. What the experts say, and this can be found in the empirical literature, is that whatever statistic you subscribe to, gay people are underreported in this country in the US census. Many gay people because of where they live and their circumstances do not report being gay because of the repercussions that they can possibly experience, i.e., loss of family, job, housing, ostracism from the community in which they live, and even physical violence (think Matthew Shepard here and yes even though it is not often reported, violence against gays and all minorities in this country is on the rise). Yes, even in the United States of America where everyone is supposed to be equal, all manner of people are discriminated against. Once again, this can be found in the empirical literature, not only statistics reported by clinicians, but in the FBI statistics gathered on Hate Crimes.

So as far as the percentage of representation of gay people as characters in TV and movies, it is nowhere close to real life. This also applies to Blacks, Latinos, Asians, and all other minority groups and often times the representations of all of these minorities are based on stereotypes.

As far as Queer Eye: Many gay people are unhappy with this program. They feel that it is too narrow a representation of gay people and only gives fuel to the fight of those that oppose homosexuality. In this country, there is talk of amending the Constitution that will for the first time actually have discrimination written in to it. There is even a county in the state of Tennessee that wants to write into law that homosexuals can not live in the county. No matter which side you stand on as far as homosexuality goes, this seems a little harsh and extreme.

I myself find Queer Eye funny and at times tired and tedious. It is like a bad sitcom with the same jokes told over and over again. Who likes that in anything? Yet, I embrace who these men are as part of the gay community at large. How can I not? If as a queen, I ask for the same rights as everyone else in this country, how can I not ask the same for those gay people who step outside the prescribed gender role box.

As far as Angels in America: not everything is to everyone’s taste. As far as “five totally neurotic gay guys and all of their equally neurotic friends made for quite a fruity punch.” Hmmm. I saw Angels in America and did not see it that way. I will watch again with your thought in mind. I would suggest if you can to sit through the movie again. The message is simple. People who come from diametrically opposed points of view can come together. And if they can be open enough, can learn from each other and grow as human beings and embrace each other because of that experience. Once again, this movie may not be for you, but neurotic and fruity punch? I don’t see any more neuroticism there than I see anywhere else.

As far as the Meryl Streep playing Bambi and Richard the Lionheart – sorry – couldn’t follow that one. Maybe further explanation?

As far as it seeming that every other man in the US is gay from US television. I ask that you look at it from a different point of view. There is a play called Love, Valour, and Compassion where a gay character that has been discriminated against by heterosexual people lets loose with a very funny monologue. Paraphrasing part of it:

Have you noticed how the heterosexuals are everywhere these days? Restaurants? The market? I was in the bank yesterday and they were all over. Writing checks, making deposits, applying for LOANS.

I have always thought that more exposed people are to something that at first they don't like, they eventually get used to it. The civil rights movement in this country is a good example. In 1963, many many white people freaked at the civil rights legislation that was passed. Great deal of turmoil in this country. This did not change overnight. After 40 years, people have gotten used to it and have come to accept it. Many fully, some not so fully. I see the whole "gay public visibility thing" in the same way. In 20 years people will not notice gay people in the same way they do today. At least that is my hope.

And one more thing Peter: Many gay people do not like the word queen. It and many other words have very negative connotations and has been and still is used as a way to discriminate and denigrate and devalue. The word queen for many gay people is very much on an equal basis with the words nigger, spic, kike, chink, gook, and all the other words used as a negative and discriminatory descriptive for minorities around the world.

This was not meant to offend. If I did, I apologize. I only wanted to give another point of view that people may not have considered.

Michael

Posted by: Michael on June 12, 2004 01:01 AMfrom IP: 4.158.57.114

evelyn,

i think i fogot to congratulate you. WAY TO GO!!

good luck in your new position. I know you will be a success.

Kel : )

Posted by: Kelly on June 12, 2004 01:42 AMfrom IP: 161.150.2.31

Paul, Paul,
Where art thou Paul? You better jump in here soon! I don't even know who the fab 5 are? Last time I heard it was the fab 4.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 12, 2004 02:07 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.186

Jo,

Silly you. :) The fab 5 are the 5 guys from the "make over" show "Queer eye for the straight guy" were 5 gay guys make over the home and wardrobe a straight guy. It's hilarious, only because of Carson, though. (he's the fashion guy).

:) Kel

Posted by: Kelly on June 12, 2004 02:24 AMfrom IP: 161.150.2.31


Kelly,

I've never heard of the show. Boy, am I behind the times.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 12, 2004 02:32 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.186

Jo, you are not behind the times, don't worry. This is on Bravo channel. Maybe you don't get that chanell. I have Direct tv and they don't carry the Style channel. I wish they did, I love that show Clean House.

Kel

Posted by: Kelly on June 12, 2004 02:38 AMfrom IP: 161.150.2.31

Kel,
We have DirecTV, but we don't take everything. We just have the basic stuff. Bravo must be in some other package than ours. I've never heard of Clean House either (the show OR mine). :)

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 12, 2004 03:08 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.196

Hanh
Sounds like you have a good instructor. I know how you feel. It's hard to get that bum up and not fall forward. I recommend a couple of books; Centered Riding, by Sally Swift and Horsemanship in Pictures, by Susan Harris. The second one is a small magazine type booklet and loaded with pictures. Barnes and Noble can probably get them for you. Your library probably has them too. Both books are easy to read and very informative. Centered riding puts a hole new perspective on riding.Two blurbs from Centered riding are, pretend you are holding a small bird in each hand. If you hold the reins too tight, you'll squash the birds. Pretend there is a thread going from your chest up through the top of your head and pulling your body up.

I wish I was a glow worm
A glow worm’s never glum
‘Cuz how can you be grumpy
When the sun shines out your bum!

Still don't know what "boardies" are.
Love to all, Take care
Marge


Posted by: Marge on June 12, 2004 09:14 AMfrom IP: 205.187.131.67

Michelle,
Just thought of you. Guess what's playing on the radio right now? Nooooo....it's not Eric Clapton.
It's MEATLOAF! And he's singing Paradise By the Dashboard Lights!! Oh my gaaaawd...I've fallen off the string and into one of you alternate dimensions!!! The horror. The horror!!!!

Marge,
None of the Men from Oz seem willing to answer you so here goes.
"Boardies" are baggy shorts that come down to the knees. Popular with surfers. One brand name is AussieBum Board Shorts.

--Richard

Posted by: Richard on June 12, 2004 09:36 AMfrom IP: 62.194.101.58

Inn...Glad you enjoyed the latest Potter installment. I too thought it was rushed because, of course, there is soo much detail in the books. I am going to see it again at an IMAX. Should be fun!

Peter...You should see Emma Thompson's eyes in the Potter flick. That woman must have a great sense of humor!!

Evelyn...You go girl!

Millie...Rock on with Follies!!

Pleasant evening to all,

Linda

Posted by: Linda Thomas on June 12, 2004 10:06 AMfrom IP: 67.172.80.183

Marge,
I think boardies are knee length pants that you surf in.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 12, 2004 10:39 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.178

Sorry Richard, I hadn't read your comment. I looked on the net and found them. They actually look very comfortable.

Posted by: Jo(In Texas) on June 12, 2004 10:43 AMfrom IP: 64.243.68.178

Richard...yes this is the Tim that echo echo echo echo....

Wish I could find my self ending up overseas...but alas my wife is a native Atlantan, so that is quite unlikely.

Evelyn..what can I say that hasn't already been said. Extremely proud of your accomplishment as I know you are.

My wife and I like Queer I for the straight guy. My wife gets sick of the blond guy..he's a little to flagrant for us,but I really enjoy the house makeovers. The change in the apartments is what Laurie and I enjoy the most.

They had/have a show on Showtime about gay life..the name escapes me (Queer as Folk?) WHOA!! That was a little or really right on the edge and my gay friends said it was just too unrealistic.

I am so excited about starting school. I'm really getting psyched up about it. I'm going to have my MBA and make some MONEY.

Beth ... love the 'rules' of life. so true.

Well I'm certainly looking forward to the follies. I'm not so sure I'm going to be able to dance. I'm not sure I'll be taking dance next year, thus having help for choreography, but I'll let you know Aunt Mil. But I will be thre.

peace nd love everyone.

Tim

Posted by: Tim Hord on June 12, 2004 12:25 PMfrom IP: 216.78.37.93

Richard, Michael.
As I'm SURE I said: No offence intended.
It all falls back to personal perspective.
NO, I'm NOT homophobic and personally know a number of gay people who I admire as human beings, NO dfferently to any other person.
I certainly DO NOT "disapprove", as you put it.
Perhaps I should have elaborated on my point a little more clearly regarding "Angels".
I think it portrayed most of the characters (including the five main male leads) as being dysfunctional to varying degrees. From that point of view, I don't believe that it did any favours for the image of gay people.
That's just my opinion. You may see it differently. That's fine with me.
Personally, I find your response insulting, howver I do agree with you about different peolpe coming together.
My comments were not aimed at gay bashing, as that is NOT what I'm about. But you probably don't know that. Perhaps I should have been a little more precise in my critique of these media productions. You've obviously misunderstod.

Michael, I was unaware that gay people dislike the term "queen". You must forgive me, as my only exposure to US culture is via their own media, and I on TV, movies etc., I frequently hear gay males refering to themselves by that term. Perhaps they take commercial gain from it. I don't know. Perhaps you can explain to me why it's so prevalent.
Maybe you could criticise the media, rather than criticising me. It is undeserved and is rejected.

Richard: "passive/aggressive much"....care to elaborate? You don't have a clue about me and it is unreasonable of you to jump to unfounded conclusions. What's your point? It smells of smugness.

Regards to all,

Peter

Posted by: Peter on June 12, 2004 12:26 PMfrom IP: 203.41.31.190

OOh, everybody is so sensitive lately. I love Queer Eye, Kyan and Carson are great and Ted and Thom are very talented in their professions (I'd love for Thom to make over this shack).Michael, I don't think Peter meant to offend with the "queen" comment but you must admit queen among gays is like nigger among blacks, the in-crowd can use it but the outsider beware. I'm sure there is some Aussie slang we might use out of context. Chunder? Speaking of Men at Work. I don't agree with changing the constitution to take away rights isn't that why we changed the damn thing in the first place? I don't mean to jump in where I wasn't involved please forgive my brass.
Linda, I'd love to see Harry in IMAX I wonder if it's playing somewhere close.
Evelyn, just in case I hadn't said it...way to go!
If anyone is interested Katalina have been having a great time doing the yahoo thing. We have even moved up to webcams and voice chat. It's tons of fun and I'm sure it's securing the fact that we will be friends for a long time!
Love to all and be kind.
Inn

Posted by: Inn on June 12, 2004 01:14 PMfrom IP: 12.172.242.75
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Dont live according to your fears, Live according to your dreams.